New Holland 75hp

Bigpuddie · Sep 12, 2018

Well, 2 schools of thought here. 1- some people using them for business trade up at end of depreciation cycle so they want the lowest cost of ownership ( reliability, cost to maintain, and resale). 2- those that keep them a long time and want the very best machine with all the wanted features. For me, TYM wasn't even a consideration because of resale, features, single plate dry clutch ( Has to have a wet clutch for my use), and lack of local dealer. I am not saying they are bad tractors, as I have never run one. Just that from what I read and saw in brochure, they weren't a good fit for me where I live. Here is a used 4 year old TYM for sale for $29500. A 4 year old Used Case/NH, Kubota, or Massey with similar specs is bringing in the high $30's to $40k. So even though a TYM may be able to be bought for $5k less, you lose $10k in resale so in the end you have a $5k loss buying the lesser machine.

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/for-sale/23526485/2014-tym-t754

Turbys_1700 · Sep 12, 2018

TNJOHN1533 said:
Thanks to everyone that contributed to this thread. I found a great dealer in Middle TN and got the Powerstar 75, 12x12 hydraulic/power shuttle with 3rd function, loader, cab, tires loaded, 2 bucket hooks and delivered for $45k. They had this one on site and were ready to move it. Great people there. Plus for any warranty work they come to the farm and fix it onsite. They're also letting me demo a pull type cutter before I decide between it and 3ph version. I also bought a 72" rock bucket grapple and an 84" bush hog brand tiller. Supposed to arrive next week. I'll update with pics!

That is a great price. Congratulations. JMHO but I would go with a 10 footer. Keep us update. Look forward to the pictures.

TNJOHN1533 · Sep 12, 2018

Thanks Turbys, I will be going with a 10 footer, just trying to decide between a pull-type or a 3ph version. He's letting me demo the 8' pull type since he doesn't have an 10' in stock yet and I need to get to mowing. I'm concerned about backing up into tight spaces in the trees with the pull type.

cabinhollow · Sep 12, 2018

Bigpuddie said:
Well, 2 schools of thought here. 1- some people using them for business trade up at end of depreciation cycle so they want the lowest cost of ownership ( reliability, cost to maintain, and resale). 2- those that keep them a long time and want the very best machine with all the wanted features. For me, TYM wasn't even a consideration because of resale, features, single plate dry clutch ( Has to have a wet clutch for my use), and lack of local dealer. I am not saying they are bad tractors, as I have never run one. Just that from what I read and saw in brochure, they weren't a good fit for me where I live. Here is a used 4 year old TYM for sale for $29500. A 4 year old Used Case/NH, Kubota, or Massey with similar specs is bringing in the high $30's to $40k. So even though a TYM may be able to be bought for $5k less, you lose $10k in resale so in the end you have a $5k loss buying the lesser machine.

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/farm-equipment/for-sale/23526485/2014-tym-t754

Yes, we are highjacking this thread, but you also lost $10k or more in resale on the others brands too.
BS Ag Econ/Farm Management, U of KY 1984. I spent many hours in the class room studying all of this.
If you are looking at 5 years or less, of use of a tractor, then you would be ahead leasing it. 5+ years, then you buy. At app 7-8 years, when all the cost of the money is taking in account, I will be ahead $ wise with my TYM vs Case/NH, Kubota, etc.
And you can set my TYM beside the same size NH and swap out a large number of parts. It is a clone of a clone (LS) of the same size NH ( made by LS). The engines and cab are the major differences.

Bigpuddie · Sep 12, 2018

cabinhollow said:
Yes, we are highjacking this thread, but you also lost $10k or more in resale on the others brands too.
BS Ag Econ/Farm Management, U of KY 1984. I spent many hours in the class room studying all of this.
If you are looking at 5 years or less, of use of a tractor, then you would be ahead leasing it. 5+ years, then you buy. At app 7-8 years, when all the cost of the money is taking in account, I will be ahead $ wise with my TYM vs Case/NH, Kubota, etc.
And you can set my TYM beside the same size NH and swap out a large number of parts. It is a clone of a clone (LS) of the same size NH ( made by LS). The engines and cab are the major differences.

Agree to disagree. My point was and facts are that Case/NH, Massey and Deere will have only lost $5k in 4 years, not the $10k TYM is showing. Good luck with your ttactor

rngrrymd · Sep 12, 2018

cabinhollow said:
Yes, we are highjacking this thread, but you also lost $10k or more in resale on the others brands too.
BS Ag Econ/Farm Management, U of KY 1984. I spent many hours in the class room studying all of this.
If you are looking at 5 years or less, of use of a tractor, then you would be ahead leasing it. 5+ years, then you buy. At app 7-8 years, when all the cost of the money is taking in account, I will be ahead $ wise with my TYM vs Case/NH, Kubota, etc.
And you can set my TYM beside the same size NH and swap out a large number of parts. It is a clone of a clone (LS) of the same size NH ( made by LS). The engines and cab are the major differences.

Except the NH Powerstar 65hp - 120hp aren't made by LS M-tron. LS makes the Boomer series up to 55hp. The Powerstars are made by Turk Tractor, a joint partnership started in 1954 by Minneapolis-Moline with 6 Turkish Companies. Minneapolis-Moline went under roughly in 1965 and in 1967 Fiat Tractor acquired the majority of their shares. In 1991 Fiat purchased Ford New Holland and in 2000 they acquired Case IH and they make all the Powerstars and Farmall C models in the Turkey plants still with Fiat Powertrain Technology motors from Italy.
Hehe, - I gave you some more schooling and u didn't even have to pay for it....

woolyAcres · Sep 12, 2018

@TNJOHN1533- Sounds like a really nice machine. Hope you get many years of service out of it.

This idea of resale comes up all the time. It's too bad there aren't some studies that we could use to solve this. I'm surprised none of the big ag schools have done a thorough review of this. Wouldn't leave us much to debate if they did I suppose.

Just for grins I used one of the online sites to pull up a NH4.75 and a Kioti RX7320 both machines the OP was considering. Not exhaustive in any way but within a few minutes I found a 4.75 in my state with 150 hours in good looking shape for $36,500 and an RX7320 with 120 hours for $35,500. Options on them are different- one has buddy seat and 2 remotes the other has self-leveling loader and 3 remotes. Both have hydraulic shuttle and appear in equal or nearly equal shape; other options are unclear (weighted tires, radio, 3rd function, etc). Considering these as pretty equivalent machines I only see a $1000 difference between these in asking price. Who knows what the selling price will actually be. So maybe the drop off from Red/Green/Blue/Orange to the other colors isn't as great as it used to be?

I'm just grateful there are lots of good machines to pick from and at a variety of prices so that most of us can find something to get the job done at a price we can get comfortable with.

Turbys_1700 · Sep 13, 2018

rngrrymd said:
Except the NH Powerstar 65hp - 120hp aren't made by LS M-tron. LS makes the Boomer series up to 55hp. The Powerstars are made by Turk Tractor, a joint partnership started in 1954 by Minneapolis-Moline with 6 Turkish Companies. Minneapolis-Moline went under roughly in 1965 and in 1967 Fiat Tractor acquired the majority of their shares. In 1991 Fiat purchased Ford New Holland and in 2000 they acquired Case IH and they make all the Powerstars and Farmall C models in the Turkey plants still with Fiat Powertrain Technology motors from Italy.
Hehe, - I gave you some more schooling and u didn't even have to pay for it....

Thanks for that info rngrrymd. I knew that New Holland built tractors in those facilities for quite some time but did not know the history. Thanks again.

cabinhollow · Sep 13, 2018

rngrrymd said:
Except the NH Powerstar 65hp - 120hp aren't made by LS M-tron. LS makes the Boomer series up to 55hp. The Powerstars are made by Turk Tractor, a joint partnership started in 1954 by Minneapolis-Moline with 6 Turkish Companies. Minneapolis-Moline went under roughly in 1965 and in 1967 Fiat Tractor acquired the majority of their shares. In 1991 Fiat purchased Ford New Holland and in 2000 they acquired Case IH and they make all the Powerstars and Farmall C models in the Turkey plants still with Fiat Powertrain Technology motors from Italy.
Hehe, - I gave you some more schooling and u didn't even have to pay for it....

When I was shopping for a new tractor two years ago, one dealer had a 70 hp class, TYM, LS and NH setting with in 50' of each other. You could of pulled parts from one and put them on the others.

rngrrymd · Sep 13, 2018

cabinhollow said:
When I was shopping for a new tractor two years ago, one dealer had a 70 hp class, TYM, LS and NH setting with in 50' of each other. You could of pulled parts from one and put them on the others.

Can you supply pictures of those 3 tractors sitting side by side? Like I said before, the NH T4/Powerstar line was never made by LS and not TYM, either. I seriously doubt you could swap parts from one tractor to another.