New Holland, Kubota, or John Deere oh my

thcri · May 8, 2003

I am glad someone else put their two cents in. I know I have two John Deere neighbors that are pretty jealous of my super-steer. It is nice you can go out of your mowing path and pretty close turn around and go right back in the next path without touching your brakes or tearing up any lawn.

murph

rockyridgefarm · May 8, 2003

Yeah, but you don't have a yellow seat.

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markie61 · May 8, 2003

( Yeah, but you don't have a yellow seat. )

I don't know...it depends how steep the hills are.....

butzkeg · May 8, 2003

Not trying to argue, but the facts/stats are right from the manufacturers. I've seen a video shot from overhead that shows a JD turning tighter than a NH with SS. It's not a huge difference though.

With the axle turning on the NH, it certainly appears as though it turns tighter. It may be a bit of an optical illusion.

I've never seen a tractor decision come down to a few inches on a turning radius anyway. But while NH markets a tight turning option, Deere has a slightly tigher turn radius...standard. Most people are unaware of this.

butzkeg · May 8, 2003

Just did some more checking, and even on NH's, the difference on a turning radius between SS and non/SS models is only 3-4 inches based on the model.

Again, just stating the facts.

TurboSonic · May 8, 2003

Ha this is funny! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif Had a good laugh!

Sylvain /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

thcri · May 8, 2003

Put the two side by side and see what happens. I have driven both of the tractors and to me there is no way that John Deere turns sharper than New Holland with Super-steer. Now I did not put them side by side but it is just my observation. The other thing if John Deere can turn their wheels just as sharp as New Holland can and not shift the axle it would be my opinion you would just rip the crap out of your grass. New Holland turns the axle and points it the direction you want to turn, drives the outside wheels and holds back the inside wheels. There is no comparison between the two. The front wheel is even engaged in this process

It would be awful hard for someone to take super-steer away from me in exchange for any other brand unless they had something similar.

Now if you don't do a lot of mowing you don't need the super-steer. If you do mostly mowing don't go with out it.

murph

butzkeg · May 8, 2003

Again, that was your observation, but I was stating fact. It really must be an optical illusion...

I don't understand how NH can market an option as turning the best when their stats show their tractor not as good as Deere. Must be handing out blue colored goggles at the dealers.

rockyridgefarm · May 8, 2003

I think that there must be something fishy about the specs. I felt that on paper; supersteer wasn't making sense. But I think that folks driving it are really solld on it. (course, its hard not to after paying that much) I think murph has the right idea, it makes for an awesome mowing machine.

If I had gone Blue, I would have been on a Class III, supersteer would probably been a big help. But I was able to get "good enough" steering in a mid chassis Deere, and still get the loader performance I needed.

But from the specs, I agree that it seems that Deere is better, without the pivot. And I am not having problems with tearing up grass. Course I am not GolfCourseRidge, either...

Maurice · May 8, 2003

I asked a similiar question in the NH group.

 The specs state a turning radius of 110" w/o SS and 106" with SS. That sounds to me like I can only turn a 4 inch smaller circle radius.

Then immediately following states a turn around diameter of 127" w/o and 83 with SS. Now it has cut 44 inches out

That was why I originally posted.

Then, I posed the question of what the inside circle diameter would be and the response I received was 18" from a TC40D with SS.

Has any of the JD folks measured the inside circle?

I'm wondering how close this measurement is between the two?
For me that would be a more definitive measurement. eg how tight of a cirlcle can I make around a tree.

Since I'm in the looking mode, this would be good info, even if I am leaning toward the blue. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif