New Holland less "Brand" vs Kub or JD?

[EquipmentJunkie]

Re: New Holland less \"Brand\" vs Kub or JD?

A lot of a brand's popularity depends on the region, dealer, and a brand's heritage & reputation. Here's an example...
A year ago, I was driving through Central IN and noticed that almost all of the pickups and SUVs that I saw were made by General Motors. I thought that I must be crazy...so, I started to count them, for about an hour or so. I forget all of the numbers now, but the GM trucks numbered in the dozens, Dodge trucks were less than 10, and the Ford's (nation-wide market share leader) was only 4. What's up with that?
I later found out that General Motors has had a strong, decades-long presence in Central IN with many component manufacturers and assembly plants, etc.
There are areas of this country that have pockets where a certain brand has a very strong hold. This is usually due to a strong dealer.
I know some folks that used to work at Ford New Holland's marketing department. About ten years ago, they said that the best markets for the blue tractors were in the shape of a "U". The Ford tractors were strongest on the West Coast, across the Southern States, and up the East Coast. Is this still the case? I don't know. But I found that fact interesting.

 

[hazmat]

Re: New Holland less \"Brand\" vs Kub or JD?

I'm seeing two answers - regional preference & that blue owners are more "objective" - thus less hype.

Is "objective" a secret code word for "smarter"? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif We could have a lot of fun with this. Ie someone buys brand X and has a problem - we simply tell him that if he were more objective when he bought the tractor he wouldn't have that problem /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif he he he.

 

[Bob_Skurka]

Re: New Holland less \"Brand\" vs Kub or JD?

<font color="blue"> Is "objective" a secret code word for "smarter"? </font>


Go over to the JD forum and take a look at some of those posts, I think it is fair to say that the level of objectivity is higher in the NH forum than it is in the JD forum. Maybe we should take a look at IQ scores to confirm your hypothesis . . . wait, we might want to break that down into monosyllable words for the folks in the JD forum so they can understand it /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[OkeeDon]

Re: New Holland less \"Brand\" vs Kub or JD?

Whenever I read the "...mine is best" type of posts, I think, "Thou dost protest too much." I'm reminded of politicians whose lackeys run around constantly telling us how great their leader is...if he or she was really that great, we'd all know it, and they wouldn't have to crow it. I think it works that way with New Holland owners -- we know what we know, so we don't have to crow. I've found that the more often a person makes hyper claims, the more often it is that they are rationalizing, justifying or compensating for their mistakes.

As far as giving advice to new buyers, I think the reason we tend to be so objective is because we know the situation will sort itself out -- the smart ones will figure out that their machine should be blue, while the rest will follow the crowd.

 

[Kiohio]

Re: New Holland less \"Brand\" vs Kub or JD?

Just my opinion, but I think one of NH/Fords biggest problems is not having that big
F-O-R-D on the side of them.

Everyone knew FORD some knew New Holland.

FORD already had Years and Years of Name recognition built-up. New Holland had to sort of start over. Still not real popular around here. I think they are a decent tractor. Just a dealer thing.

KO

 

[jwstewar]

Re: New Holland less \"Brand\" vs Kub or JD?

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Just my opinion, but I think one of NH/Fords biggest problems is not having that big
F-O-R-D on the side of them.
)</font>

That may be true of why they aren't as well known, but it helped sell one tractor. If it would've included the Ford name on it, I wouldn't have even considered it - and yes I knew going into it that it used to be Ford.

 

[Prefect]

Re: New Holland less \"Brand\" vs Kub or JD?

I had to chime in on this one...

I have to agree with most of what I have read so far in this thread. I have to say that when I was looking to buy, I looked at the tractor, it's capabilities, it's strengths and weaknesses, etc.. I applied that research to all of the factors involved in my decision to buy a tractor in the first place, and chose what I think is the best tractor for my needs.

That being said, I have not spent a lot of time in the other tractor specific forums, HOWEVER, I have looked in on one or two and have found that the owners of many of the other brands seem to be near militant about their brand. The fact that many of them wouldn't consider another brand of tractor is ludicrous to me. They wouldn't even consider buying the same tractor, painted a different color, priced $5k less.

In summary, I have to say, that, to me, those in the NH forum do seem to be far more objective. If you want brand specific bragadocia, by all means visit the others, but for substance, well, here you are. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

 

[1bush2hog]

Re: New Holland less \"Brand\" vs Kub or JD?

Kind of the reverse for me. The ergo's on the TN series felt much better than the green or orange machines. Also ended up with a much better (less arrogant) dealer to work with and a better value for my money.

I do have a JD 277LX lawn mower though, so guess I'm a half breed. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

The whole 'my X is better than your Y' thing has never appealed to me. Like others have said - the only thing that really matters is the decision you feel comfortable with.

Ogee had it right: if someone has to sell me on what they bought then maybe they just need to sell themselves.

 

[bandit67]

Re: New Holland less \"Brand\" vs Kub or JD?

Well, I went with the machine I have after testing and looking at all of the brands. I really liked what the NH had to offer and the ergonomics, and then I found a dealer that sold both NH and Case. I liked the red color better, and it turns out the red paint actually gives you a slight increase in hp and lift capacities over the blue paint (they aren't allowed to point this out in the brochures because the NH employees got upset about it). /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

In a pinch, I can use any NH parts or fluids, but I do understand that the NH logo may slow down my machine just a tad. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

Seriously though, I do come over here quite often just to see what's being discussed as it also pertains to my machine, and it's nice to not hear all the 'attitude' over here. Plus, I know I can make a couple of jokes without some blue blood blowing a gasket. Not so with the orange and green bloods.