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[300UGUY]

I don't do sports. Never cared much for them. Played some up thru teen years but not a big part of my life. I do see where Colleges pay coaches into the Millions as well as Pro teams do also. Pro teams pay players also millions. Good thing they aren't counting on me for their salary. Since it doesn't cost me anything I don't really care other than for the message it sends as to the value of a sports star (movie star) vs a working man, a President of a Country, a Country Teacher. I've also heard that at some Colleges that the Sports brings in more money thru Broadcasting rights and door admissions than they cost but I still think the message that the College President gets paid 1/20th or less than the Coach and tuitions are going up every year. I don't believe everyone is entitled to a free College Education but I do believe an affordable one should be available. Let me decide and I'd shift alot of that sports money over to the classes in equipment and maybe lower tuition a bit.
Any way, back to the Pro Sports thing. Players get Millions to play ball!!! Coaches get millions to coach ball. But should the owners who put up millions and risk the loss of their money (It happens) get the millions? Millions do come in some times soooooooooo who should get most of it, financial backers (owners) or players? What about if the income isn't enough to cover the out go, should the players not get paid or give their money back?
OK, this get us to the decision of are we/you/me more Socialist/Communist or Democratic. Divide the income and risk amongst all or reward/penalize the risk taker?
I want to feed the poor. Was raised that way and do believe in it but I also believe everyone should do some form of work for their daily bread. No exclusions (aged, disabled, etc) everyone. I believe working and being productive is necessary for good mental health and self esteem.
I worked for 27 1/2 years helping people with Disabilities continue or go to work. Believed in my job that all individuals should do some form of work based on their abilities.
I'm done.

I don't really care how much some pro athlete gets paid. I really don't like the idea of publically funded stadiums for them to play in.

 

[300UGUY]

That is GM, or at least that is how it is in the Ft Wayne plant

Legally, there is no way the union or the company can require you to buy or drive their products. They can give discounts and preferred parking. At my old plant, we made Cadillac Engines. If you bought a Cadillac, you could park right next to the plant. But in the last few years, they did away with that, and sustituted a "management only" lot. That management group did not include supervisors, only those with company cars.

 

[bunchgrass]

"OK, this get us to the decision of are we/you/me more Socialist/Communist or Democratic. Divide the income and risk amongst all or reward/penalize the risk taker?"

Which option is democratic, which is socialist and which is communist?

Interestingly, at least in professional FB, salary caps haven't done what they were proposed to do - stop the outrageous salaries. Instead, you have a few players on any given team using up the majority of the cap while everyone else gets league minimum. Example - the old Dallas Cowboys of the 90's - Michael Irwin, Troy Aikman and Emmit Smith received say 40 million of the 50 million in the pool. The other 10 million is split amongst the other 50 players - most get minimum, (back then it was $350,000/yr).

 

[5030]

I can understand why UAW employees would want to drive a car assembled by their respective employer.

Most of the ones I see at auto plants are... Either obese, or too lazy to park anwhere else than right at the door....

and, parking by the door insures that at lunch, they can get out quickly and have the maximum time to consume a beer or smoke a joint before going back in, to 'work'......:laughing:

I laugh but fact is, it's the norm, not an exception.

 

[Grateful11]

I want to feed the poor. Was raised that way and do believe in it but I also believe everyone should do some form of work for their daily bread. No exclusions (aged, disabled, etc) everyone. I believe working and being productive is necessary for good mental health and self esteem.
I worked for 27 1/2 years helping people with Disabilities continue or go to work. Believed in my job that all individuals should do some form of work based on their abilities.
I'm done.

So exactly how would something like this work? You've even mentioned the aged so is someone that's say 99 still be working a public job or do mean work around the house or what? I'm having a hard time with this being thrown into this thread. My wife's Grandmother lived to be 99, lost her husband at about age 38 raised 4 kids, kept an 85 acre farm going until a son took over but she remained active with the farm until way up in her years, fell and broke her hip in her mid 80s, one of her children immediately wanted to throw her into a rest home but my wife (her granddaughter) and her sister said no way and brought her back to the farm where they lived in what you might call an extended family situation, 3 generations living under the same roof, they helped her get back her feet and she used a walker to get around the house, fixed breakfast every morning until her death on the edge of her bed at age 99. Now back to this work for the disabled, aged, etc. Where do we draw the line on this, are you saying that a woman that was 99 years old that fell a lot, even with her walker, should have still been working a public job or are you talking work around the house but no monetary gain? I mean was she suppose go to work down road here at the Sheltered Workshop or be a Greeter at WalMart or what? I'm having a hard believing that this is being injected into this thread. What I'm trying to say is where is the line drawn, should my friends daughter that died at age 17, wheelchair bound, couldn't talk, never able to walk, basically no motor skills, basically because she was dropped by someone at birth immediately after delivery. If she had lived longer should she also be excepted to be a productive part of society when she was incapable of doing even a simple task? Like I think said earlier I'm trying to stay out this but this has really struck a chord with me and I'm sure at least a few others too.

I'll put this way, I hope I'm out here this time and this thread is locked down before too long because it has totally "jumped the shark" and at this point basically doesn't belong in this forum, no meaningful good can come out of it at this point other listening to people's own personal agendas and vendettas. There's going to be lasting bad feelings over this thread and I'm asking that it be moved or locked down. It's threads like this that are allowed to go on and on when it should have already been halted because it will, IMHO, drive away good meaningful members with lots of knowledge on the topics that are started and stay on track.

 

[JOHNTHOMAS]

So exactly how would something like this work? You've even mentioned the aged so is someone that's say 99 still be working a public job or do mean work around the house or what? I'm having a hard time with this being thrown into this thread. My wife's Grandmother lived to be 99, lost her husband at about age 38 raised 4 kids, kept an 85 acre farm going until a son took over but she remained active with the farm until way up in her years, fell and broke her hip in her mid 80s, one of her children immediately wanted to throw her into a rest home but my wife (her granddaughter) and her sister said no way and brought her back to the farm where they lived in what you might call an extended family situation, 3 generations living under the same roof, they helped her get back her feet and she used a walker to get around the house, fixed breakfast every morning until her death on the edge of her bed at age 99. Now back to this work for the disabled, aged, etc. Where do we draw the line on this, are you saying that a woman that was 99 years old that fell a lot, even with her walker, should have still been working a public job or are you talking work around the house but no monetary gain? I mean was she suppose go to work down road here at the Sheltered Workshop or be a Greeter at WalMart or what? I'm having a hard believing that this is being injected into this thread. What I'm trying to say is where is the line drawn, should my friends daughter that died at age 17, wheelchair bound, couldn't talk, never able to walk, basically no motor skills, basically because she was dropped by someone at birth immediately after delivery. If she had lived longer should she also be excepted to be a productive part of society when she was incapable of doing even a simple task? Like I think said earlier I'm trying to stay out this but this has really struck a chord with me and I'm sure at least a few others too.

I'll put this way, I hope I'm out here this time and this thread is locked down before too long because it has totally "jumped the shark" and at this point basically doesn't belong in this forum, no meaningful good can come out of it at this point other listening to people's own personal agendas and vendettas. There's going to be lasting bad feelings over this thread and I'm asking that it be moved or locked down. It's threads like this that are allowed to go on and on when it should have already been halted because it will, IMHO, drive away good meaningful members with lots of knowledge on the topics that are started and stay on track.

You know better than to say you believe I'm talking about the most severest of severe disabled and the infirm aged. That's, well, I'll not say what that is in consideration of your feelings.
I have seen both of those groups working and being productive by the way. My first month on the job while attending some Graduate Training at the Woodrow Wilson Rehab Center in Va I saw a man paralized from the neck down using a mouth stick to type on a computer keyboard. I couldn't believe it because I didn't understand the value of allowing someone to feel useful. I started to quit the job. I felt so sorry for the man but he wanted to be there.
I think working, being productive, is a good thing, not something to be ashamed of. No one should be denied the opportunity to be productive whether paid or maintaining the house hold. I believe you missed the point I was trying to make either thru my lack of verbal/writing skills or maybe it was you.
Great thing about TBN is one can pass right by any thread they don't want to read. Sure most people are no longer reading this one. But some are drawn to these threads like moths to a light/fire. I say delete it or let it run. Guess I don't get to decide and that's OK with me. Not my call. I'm not seeing that this particular thread is keeping other threads from being added, commented on and running. Not sure it's damaging TBN as you seem to think.

 

[grsthegreat]

I can understand why UAW employees would want to drive a car assembled by their respective employer.

Most of the ones I see at auto plants are... Either obese, or too lazy to park anwhere else than right at the door....

and, parking by the door insures that at lunch, they can get out quickly and have the maximum time to consume a beer or smoke a joint before going back in, to 'work'......:laughing:

I laugh but fact is, it's the norm, not an exception.

hmm,, there you go again... just maligned an entire workforce with one statement. nothing new there

 

[5030]

hmm,, there you go again... just maligned an entire workforce with one statement. nothing new there

They aren't all bad but a lot are. I've witnessed that close up and personal at break time at the Jeep Plant on Stickney Avenue in Toledo. Mad dash to the car to toss downa brew and smoke up the interior, a telltale sign is closed windows in the summer.......

Tell us, how many auto plants in Idaho? At least unionized ones.....:laughing:

Are potato pickers unionized???:laughing:

 

[300UGUY]

They aren't all bad but a lot are. I've witnessed that close up and personal at break time at the Jeep Plant on Stickney Avenue in Toledo. Mad dash to the car to toss downa brew and smoke up the interior, a telltale sign is closed windows in the summer.......

Tell us, how many auto plants in Idaho? At least unionized ones.....:laughing:

Are potato pickers unionized???:laughing:

After working 30+ years in various auto plants, I will say that that behavior is not the norm. And it isn't unique to union facilities. No employer can control employee behavior 100%. Also I'd say that the newer employees are less likely to engage in this kinda thing - they didn't have drug testing back in the 70's & 80's. Anybody hiring in now has to pass a chemical screen based on hair analysis. I've been told it can detect substance abuse up to a year past.

 

[Grateful11]

John I'm not even going read more than 2 sentences of your thread because here's what you said:

"No exclusions (aged, disabled, etc) everyone."

Make yourself clear and give us exclusions the first time, next time. Don't make broad statements if that's not what you wanted to say.

Edit: Sorry guys I'm letting personal feelings get to me and like I said I'm sorry.

I buried my son that had Muscular Dystrophy this past Summer and I can't stand by and read something like read earlier. I know several people that cannot hold a public job due to their disabilities. My son never wanted to labeled as disabled, never got money for his disability except for a small amount from Vocational Rehab. to help pay for his college education. He was already working in the college IT Dept., had one more year of college to go and was well on his way to becoming a productive part of society. He worked a full 8 hour shift the Friday before he was struck down by heart failure. I had many people to try and talk us into putting him on SSI and try to qualify him for Medicaid once he became an adult, I've always made enough money to take care of him and we wanted nothing to do with it.