New L4060hstc in my garage the good, the bad, & the ugly

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Fallon

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Kubota L4060hstc, formerly L3200hst
I finally brought my new L4060hstc home yesterday. My L3200 got sold off a few weeks ago, enabling me to move up to a cabbed machine with some nice extra toys with a bit more oomph.

The good:

It was in the teens yesterday afternoon & with minimal load, it was warm enough to take off my hat, coat & gloves. I'd have to turn it down if I used it much. It just feels nice to drive & operate. All the controls are well laid out & are easy to operate (except the rear window latch, which is a huge pain to get to when the air ride seat is in it's fully back position). The bigger tires mean 6-8" wide trench with the inside being 3" or so taller that contains the bottom of the barn door is barely a speed bump instead of the noticeable annoying obstacle it was with the L3200. 3pt hitch is noticeably smoother than on the L3200. The fancy 3pt linkage stuff looks cool, but will likely end up being moot. I loved my QH with TnT & I expect that will be more functional (once I get the QH properly moded & the missing TnT installed) than the extendable links & stuff.

The 3 speed transmission sucks as much as every other HST 3 speed I've ever used. Had to spend a minute several times trying to shift & bumping the go pedal & what not to get gears to mesh to shift... Just like every other HST tranny I've ever used. Not quite premium tractor operation, but pretty much standard & apparently reliable. However I'm seeing that I'll likely just leave it in M & use the 2 speed toggle to cover 80% of my needs. I do a fair bit of roading (hence getting the L4060 over the L3560 which couldn't get out of it's own way) so I'll be in high high a bit, probably in low range whenever lifting & loading stuff in/out of vehicles.

They put 1 male & 1 female flat face hydraulic connector up front for the 3rd function. As I haven't started retrofitting my old cheap auction find truck plow to fit the tractor I have no compatibility issues. May as well stick with the skid steere standard & I hate the way ag style connectors puke fluid all over whenever you connect or disconnect them. Have high hopes for these connectors. I was planning on adding in a valve up there & toggling between 3rd function & hydraulically actuated SSQA (retrofit a linear actuator for that on my old machine). Thinking I might just put flat face connectors on the SSQA cylinder & manually swap instead of using a valve or something. We'll have to see.

I like the 6QD stack in back for my 3 spools. Nice & clean looking & I believe setup for 1 handed connect & disconnect (also break free design if there are problems). They are the standard puke on connect & disconnect pack in with dirt & grime ag style though. 4 will probably almost never get used once TnT gets hooked up I'll almost never disconnect them, so not a big deal.

It has a dipstick!!! I absolutely detested the sight glass on my L3200. You could never figure out if you were above or below the sight glass, heck with the crystal clear fluid you could barely even see the line when it was in the middle. Will probably still put in some John Deere red hydraulic dye in the new machine as crystal clear fluid on the dipstick is hard to see, but it's an order of magnitude better than a sight glass.

The bad:
The TnT cylinders and the workshop manual CD weren't in yet. I'm impatient & have installed TnT on my old L3200. I'll likely end up spending the 15 minutes to install it myself whenever they come in. Pain in the *** trying to hitch up my mower to my QH without TnT. Also I hadn't moded my Harbor Freight QH to extend the toplink hook back an inch or so yet (have done that on 3 QHes so far), which caused hitching problems. I'm grumpy I don't have the WSM to tell me the wiring pinout or colors for the radio harness so I can't hook it up yet, despite having an adapter. Nothing terribly bad, or unexpected & could probably have been prevented with more patience & planning on my part, but I only have so much. ;-)

Loader visibility is worse than on my L3200. Trying to hook up to the bucket or pallet forks frame (forks themselves are still in the mail) I can't quite see the outer corners of the loader side SSQA lip, which I could on the L3200. Not a big deal.

The nice cool electronic dash is ran by 1 button. Seriously? You can't afford a knob or a couple buttons? You have to do everything by doing short or long pushes on 1 button? That boggles my mind, such a horrible interface.

There is an on/off toggle button held onto the bottom of the joystick with a hose clamp. You turn it on to then use the left/right 3rd function buttons on the top of the joystick. It works & is the setup described in the manual, but seems a bit ghetto for a premium tractor. I'd rather just have the L/R buttons on all the time.

The grands apparently come with the 2 cab lights standard, but they are just normal halogen bulbs. Enough light to see a bit, but not great. Was already planning on adding or replacing them with a 42" light bar. The rear lights are an

The ugly:
After less than an hour of operation, the loader lift circuit started malfunctioning. It went from normal lift/lower speed to something that would take about 2+ minutes to lift or lower. It was erratic on when that would kick in or not & lifting or lowering. Float always dropped like a rock. Called Front Range Kubota & they are planning on sending out their service truck out around lunch. It's 2wd & we have 2" of snow, so that may be fun. Have some video of the issue, but they are being slow to upload.

No coming home photos, but I did grab a couple of it sitting in it's new home when I went out to get the loader diagnostics video. L4:cool: - Google Photos
 
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Curious, what did your dealer say about not getting the "T&T" set? I have dealers calling me all the time, say Kubota has no idea when they will be available again.

I hope soon for everyone's sake.
 
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Curious, what did your dealer say about not getting the "T&T" set? I have dealers calling me all the time, say Kubota has no idea when they will be available again.

I hope soon for everyone's sake.

He was saying it should be in any day now & had been expecting it in with all the other accessories I ordered. Yup, heard that from you before as well & was wondering if I knew more than my dealer because of that. Mighty curious to see how it turns out myself. Another Fit Rite TnT setup is my plan B. If you didn't have such a backlog it might have move to plan A already. I'm sure I'll survive without TnT for a bit, somehow. Apparently I was able to do it before I got it for my old L3200, not that I remember how.
 
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He was saying it should be in any day now & had been expecting it in with all the other accessories I ordered. Yup, heard that from you before as well & was wondering if I knew more than my dealer because of that. Mighty curious to see how it turns out myself. Another Fit Rite TnT setup is my plan B. If you didn't have such a backlog it might have move to plan A already. I'm sure I'll survive without TnT for a bit, somehow. Apparently I was able to do it before I got it for my old L3200, not that I remember how.

Thanks for replying, I just wonder what the "correct" story is. :confused3:
 
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Just got off the phone with the dealer & should have it back tonight or tomorrow it sounds like. They are diagnosing it as the 3pt being out of adjustment. When it was all the way lifted it would intermittently try & keep lifting the 3pt backing up the whole power beyond loop & causing the loader issues. I think I had the 3pt lifted all the way when I was experiencing the issues, so that sounds extremely probable to me.
 
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Good luck with the new L. When my B3030 was new I also found the speed shift stiff. I found that if I went to neutral first, it was easier to get to the speed I wanted. It has since loosen up.
 
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I think the L4060 was stiffer than the L3200 for shifting, but not by a huge amount. I got it with 1 hour on it & it headed back to the dealer for the hydraulic issue by hour 2. I expect it will loosen up a bit. But the 2 speed HST+ will probably make that rather moot as I don't see to much reason to shift out of M unless I'm roading it.
 
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I had a similar FEL problem with my L6060.

It worked flawlessly as delivered but would not lift after reinstallation after my first mowing season. I have not yet used the FEL but reinstalled it after removing the mower in November. It was VERY slow to raise/lower but would drop like a rock in float.

Not having the time to mess with it and since it is still in warranty, I called the dealer. They picked it up, fixed it and told me that the position control linkage on the three point was misadjusted (they messed with this when they installed the draft control), allowing oil to bypass when the lift was all of the way up. It works now but I'm skeptical. At least it's in the service records.

FWIW: Don't buy the optional draft control even if you believe that you might need it. It's a bit of a Rube Goldberg and sticktion affects resolution of the position control.

I have encountered no issues shifting the three speed range shifter but engaging auto throttle advance, stall guard and auto HDS simultaneously can cause the HDS and stall guard to fight themselves when traveling uphill. Work on the control algorithm is indicated.

SDT
 
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Re: New L4060hstc in my garage the good, the bad, & the ugly

The shifter for l-m-h will loosen up. With just over forty hours on mine it's pretty smooth now. I leave it in M most of the time and rarely use Low or High. The dual speed HST is one of my favorite items.
 
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The 2 speed HST is your friend. I think I have put mine in Low once or twice at most, and high only once to prove it worked when I got it. But I don't drive on roads either. So far I have not really found anything that the 2 speeds in Medium couldn't handle, and it is sooo easy to use, I don't see much point in shifting the ranges. That may be partly because I have the 2nd highest HP in the range (L5240) which may cover a lot of sins. But it works and is a great feature. I'm quite sure I would lose traction well before I could make full use of Low range...
 
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I was looking at draft control a while back, but was talked out of it. I'm pretty sure TnT will do a lot better for box blade control than draft control, not to mention the Rupe Goldberg aspect, which I've heard before as well.
 
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With farm tractors we often use the draft control for attachments much like your box blade! I just sold one this fall to a contractor coming out of another make. He has been totally amazed at the performance of using it. You might have difficulty with it but for many they make it very simple. Some systems are not very sensitive so it does make a difference in the need or not.
 
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With farm tractors we often use the draft control for attachments much like your box blade! I just sold one this fall to a contractor coming out of another make. He has been totally amazed at the performance of using it. You might have difficulty with it but for many they make it very simple. Some systems are not very sensitive so it does make a difference in the need or not.

That's what got me thinking about draft control in the first place. But given the rinky dink nature of the setup on the grands & the fact TnT works so well in my experience on my L3200 it fell way off my priority list. Tapping on the toplink control to extend or retract a hair easily takes the box from filling to emptying as needed. I'm gonna guess that will be a bit smoother than draft control lifting & partially dumping the whole box.
 
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That's what got me thinking about draft control in the first place. But given the rinky dink nature of the setup on the grands & the fact TnT works so well in my experience on my L3200 it fell way off my priority list. Tapping on the toplink control to extend or retract a hair easily takes the box from filling to emptying as needed. I'm gonna guess that will be a bit smoother than draft control lifting & partially dumping the whole box.

This is the exact misconception that most people have regarding the use of draft control. I can make a cut a mile long, 3" deep with my rear blade and never touch the top & tilt. Draft control picks the blade up maybe 1/16" to lessen the load and then will drop back down allowing me to continue along and never even be concerned. :thumbsup::thumbsup:

First picture is a taper cut about 6' wide from 3"-0" and the second picture is about a 1" cut through varying ground density. Look at the windrow, a constant amount of material being cut and moved. :thumbsup:
 

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MtnView---that is a beautiful job.
 
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MtnView---that is a beautiful job.

Thanks. People think that I know what I'm doing, and maybe I do some what, but knowing how to operate the features on the machine you are operating sure makes life easier. ;)
 
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Re: New L4060hstc in my garage the good, the bad, & the ugly

Knowing what you are doing...

A) Being a master manipulator of controls based on changing conditions.

B) Knowing your requirements well enough to get the right gear & how to turn on auto pilot.

Both will get a quality done, one is easier. ;-) May or may not look into draft control at some point. For now I'm still planning on building a land plane grade scraper. Probably cheaper than the $800ish draft control (materials only at least) & might be more effective for my needs in the short term.

I do like hearing about new info & being smarter about my equipments capabilities though.
 
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Re: New L4060hstc in my garage the good, the bad, & the ugly

Knowing what you are doing...

A) Being a master manipulator of controls based on changing conditions.

B) Knowing your requirements well enough to get the right gear & how to turn on auto pilot.

Both will get a quality done, one is easier. ;-) May or may not look into draft control at some point. For now I'm still planning on building a land plane grade scraper. Probably cheaper than the $800ish draft control (materials only at least) & might be more effective for my needs in the short term.

I do like hearing about new info & being smarter about my equipments capabilities though.

Nothing wrong with a LPGS, that's for sure. Those are my go to implements for general maintenance of our 1 3/8 miles of roads. But they don't ditch so well or create crowns very well.

My recommendation if building a LPGS.

Be sure that it weighs 1000lbs.

For your tractor, I would say a 7 footer would be good as long as you don't plan on just dropping and driving off. Learn how to actually control the implement and a 1000lb 7 footer would work very well for you.

Side rails should be a minimum of 6' long and 18" tall.

Forget about all the adjustable monkey motion that companies as well as people are putting on them, why, it just isn't needed IMO.

My 5 footer weighs about 800lbs and my 7 footer 1400lbs. They have worked great for the past 10+ years and have had zero reasons to have wanted-needed them in any other configuration than what they are.

I understand that others requirements are different, but for general road maintenance, I don't see the need for the other features.

Just my :2cents:
 

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Been reading up on them here for a few years. Picked up a few grader blades cheap at auction in the past year. Need to get side plate material at some point. Maybe this summer or something, if I have time.

Not in a rush as my 72" King Kutter box blade works for now. Grader blades are already working out... chained to the top of the box for extra weight on hard driveways.
 
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Knowing what you are doing...

A) Being a master manipulator of controls based on changing conditions.

B) Knowing your requirements well enough to get the right gear & how to turn on auto pilot.

Both will get a quality done, one is easier. ;-) May or may not look into draft control at some point. For now I'm still planning on building a land plane grade scraper. Probably cheaper than the $800ish draft control (materials only at least) & might be more effective for my needs in the short term.

I do like hearing about new info & being smarter about my equipments capabilities though.


I have draft control on all my tractors, except one, and would not be without it. Give me draft control, a wider blade or landscape rake and I can turn an irregular landscape or waterway into the dirt equivalent of a sheet of glass.
 

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