ProdaddyTX
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Yes, my bad.....thermostaRt... totally different...not sure if I misread or Art corrected a typo.
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BruceR
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- YM 2000B, JD 110, cub cadet 109, cub cadet 70, cub cadet 100
John, Welcome to TBN.
It is good to see you stand behind your product. An open forum is no good unless you have at least two sides to the story. Sounds like you went above and beyond in supporting Art.
I do get on my soapbox about recons. I first perused your site when I was researching Yanmars prior to my purchase of my 2000B. When I saw the standard litany of “new” parts in all your tractors, I wrote your firm off as just another one to stay away from. If I was wrong to lump you in there then I apologize, you may be one of the good guys, but I still think you were misleading your customers on what they were buying. By the way, nice look to your new site.
It seems my post was most offensive to you as I was quoted several times. You had a warranty statement posted on your site and I was quoting from it for the most part. You say that you wanted it signed or the warranty was void. Why would it get your hackles up if someone then points this out? I am one of the few that reads the fine print. Why is it there if it doesn’t mean anything? Wasn’t there that little fine print statement “as needed” under your list of pistons, rings, clutch, etc. that was replaced in all your tractors?
Your warranty statement said it covered the above items only. Four wheel drive was not on that list. I consider it part of the drive train, but had no way of knowing you consider it transmission.
It is true that I need to temper what I say in a public forum. I forget sometimes and write as if I am speaking to an individual. A few months ago I replied honestly when asked my opinion of a publication and felt badly afterward. I should have replied in a PM; but then, I think, what good is a public forum if we are all worried about being politically correct and not stepping on anybodies toes? I did wonder why we never heard from anyone in the recon end of things, It’s good that you are busy. I am too. Life is like that. There is a reason that the majority of my posts are so early in the morning. I don’t believe I said anything libelous, but if you feel I did, then we can discuss that further. Sure, what is posted and read may affect buying decisions, just a glossy website claiming that every moving part in an engine has been replaced with new parts can affect buying decisions. Should that be labeled deceptive trade practice?
I don’t mean to come off as being combative. I am glad that you chose to post here and hope you do in the future.
Bruce
It is good to see you stand behind your product. An open forum is no good unless you have at least two sides to the story. Sounds like you went above and beyond in supporting Art.
I do get on my soapbox about recons. I first perused your site when I was researching Yanmars prior to my purchase of my 2000B. When I saw the standard litany of “new” parts in all your tractors, I wrote your firm off as just another one to stay away from. If I was wrong to lump you in there then I apologize, you may be one of the good guys, but I still think you were misleading your customers on what they were buying. By the way, nice look to your new site.
It seems my post was most offensive to you as I was quoted several times. You had a warranty statement posted on your site and I was quoting from it for the most part. You say that you wanted it signed or the warranty was void. Why would it get your hackles up if someone then points this out? I am one of the few that reads the fine print. Why is it there if it doesn’t mean anything? Wasn’t there that little fine print statement “as needed” under your list of pistons, rings, clutch, etc. that was replaced in all your tractors?
Your warranty statement said it covered the above items only. Four wheel drive was not on that list. I consider it part of the drive train, but had no way of knowing you consider it transmission.
It is true that I need to temper what I say in a public forum. I forget sometimes and write as if I am speaking to an individual. A few months ago I replied honestly when asked my opinion of a publication and felt badly afterward. I should have replied in a PM; but then, I think, what good is a public forum if we are all worried about being politically correct and not stepping on anybodies toes? I did wonder why we never heard from anyone in the recon end of things, It’s good that you are busy. I am too. Life is like that. There is a reason that the majority of my posts are so early in the morning. I don’t believe I said anything libelous, but if you feel I did, then we can discuss that further. Sure, what is posted and read may affect buying decisions, just a glossy website claiming that every moving part in an engine has been replaced with new parts can affect buying decisions. Should that be labeled deceptive trade practice?
I don’t mean to come off as being combative. I am glad that you chose to post here and hope you do in the future.
Bruce
BruceR
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- YM 2000B, JD 110, cub cadet 109, cub cadet 70, cub cadet 100
John, Welcome to TBN.
It is good to see you stand behind your product. An open forum is no good unless you have at least two sides to the story. Sounds like you went above and beyond in supporting Art.
I do get on my soapbox about recons. I first perused your site when I was researching Yanmars prior to my purchase of my 2000B. When I saw the standard litany of “new” parts in all your tractors, I wrote your firm off as just another one to stay away from. If I was wrong to lump you in there then I apologize, you may be one of the good guys, but I still think you were misleading your customers on what they were buying. By the way, nice look to your new site.
It seems my post was most offensive to you as I was quoted several times. You had a warranty statement posted on your site and I was quoting from it for the most part. You say that you wanted it signed or the warranty was void. Why would it get your hackles up if someone then points this out? I am one of the few that reads the fine print. Why is it there if it doesn’t mean anything? Wasn’t there that little fine print statement “as needed” under your list of pistons, rings, clutch, etc. that was replaced in all your tractors?
Your warranty statement said it covered the above items only. Four wheel drive was not on that list. I consider it part of the drive train, but had no way of knowing you consider it transmission.
It is true that I need to temper what I say in a public forum. I forget sometimes and write as if I am speaking to an individual. A few months ago I replied honestly when asked my opinion of a publication and felt badly afterward. I should have replied in a PM; but then, I think, what good is a public forum if we are all worried about being politically correct and not stepping on anybodies toes? I did wonder why we never heard from anyone in the recon end of things, It’s good that you are busy. I am too. Life is like that. There is a reason that the majority of my posts are so early in the morning. I don’t believe I said anything libelous, but if you feel I did, then we can discuss that further. Sure, what is posted and read may affect buying decisions, just a glossy website claiming that every moving part in an engine has been replaced with new parts can affect buying decisions. Should that be labeled deceptive trade practice?
I don’t mean to come off as being combative. I am glad that you chose to post here and hope you do in the future.
Bruce
It is good to see you stand behind your product. An open forum is no good unless you have at least two sides to the story. Sounds like you went above and beyond in supporting Art.
I do get on my soapbox about recons. I first perused your site when I was researching Yanmars prior to my purchase of my 2000B. When I saw the standard litany of “new” parts in all your tractors, I wrote your firm off as just another one to stay away from. If I was wrong to lump you in there then I apologize, you may be one of the good guys, but I still think you were misleading your customers on what they were buying. By the way, nice look to your new site.
It seems my post was most offensive to you as I was quoted several times. You had a warranty statement posted on your site and I was quoting from it for the most part. You say that you wanted it signed or the warranty was void. Why would it get your hackles up if someone then points this out? I am one of the few that reads the fine print. Why is it there if it doesn’t mean anything? Wasn’t there that little fine print statement “as needed” under your list of pistons, rings, clutch, etc. that was replaced in all your tractors?
Your warranty statement said it covered the above items only. Four wheel drive was not on that list. I consider it part of the drive train, but had no way of knowing you consider it transmission.
It is true that I need to temper what I say in a public forum. I forget sometimes and write as if I am speaking to an individual. A few months ago I replied honestly when asked my opinion of a publication and felt badly afterward. I should have replied in a PM; but then, I think, what good is a public forum if we are all worried about being politically correct and not stepping on anybodies toes? I did wonder why we never heard from anyone in the recon end of things, It’s good that you are busy. I am too. Life is like that. There is a reason that the majority of my posts are so early in the morning. I don’t believe I said anything libelous, but if you feel I did, then we can discuss that further. Sure, what is posted and read may affect buying decisions, just a glossy website claiming that every moving part in an engine has been replaced with new parts can affect buying decisions. Should that be labeled deceptive trade practice?
I don’t mean to come off as being combative. I am glad that you chose to post here and hope you do in the future.
Bruce
BruceR
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What we seem to have forgotten is Mace and his excitement over having a new tractor. Isn't that really what is most important? Mace, are you still out there?
Bruce
Bruce
BruceR
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What we seem to have forgotten is Mace and his excitement over having a new tractor. Isn't that really what is most important? Mace, are you still out there?
Bruce
Bruce
arthr31
Platinum Member
that's maybe the next to worse part of all of this-- Here's Mace, with a new (to him) tractor and we've gone and rubbed off all the excitement of the new tool he's just purchased. Don't worry Mace, you purchased a fine brand of tractor and will enjoy its use and performance. The other worse part of all this is that RCO got dragged around in here (some my fault) for really nothing. When I had troubles, I should have called, my fault. Then theres the anti-recon topic... I think we should all chill out about this. Lets wait and see how many posts come in saying, "i've got a recon, the thing exploded in my driveway." Or, "I've got a recon and the thing just ground it's gears down and it's stuck in the ... "
See the thing is, and I realize this now, we don't see these posts in here. Instead we see the posts describing all of this... Makes people like myself convinced that there is no good... And, sure, my tractor has problems. Can I say that a non-recon used tractor would have less? WHO KNOWS.
Lets stop this madness here. What you have is a yanmar, period.
And, from experience of owning both a recon and a used US yanmar, both are GREAT. Both have some issues. Both are 25+ years old. What am I to expect? latr
See the thing is, and I realize this now, we don't see these posts in here. Instead we see the posts describing all of this... Makes people like myself convinced that there is no good... And, sure, my tractor has problems. Can I say that a non-recon used tractor would have less? WHO KNOWS.
Lets stop this madness here. What you have is a yanmar, period.
And, from experience of owning both a recon and a used US yanmar, both are GREAT. Both have some issues. Both are 25+ years old. What am I to expect? latr
arthr31
Platinum Member
that's maybe the next to worse part of all of this-- Here's Mace, with a new (to him) tractor and we've gone and rubbed off all the excitement of the new tool he's just purchased. Don't worry Mace, you purchased a fine brand of tractor and will enjoy its use and performance. The other worse part of all this is that RCO got dragged around in here (some my fault) for really nothing. When I had troubles, I should have called, my fault. Then theres the anti-recon topic... I think we should all chill out about this. Lets wait and see how many posts come in saying, "i've got a recon, the thing exploded in my driveway." Or, "I've got a recon and the thing just ground it's gears down and it's stuck in the ... "
See the thing is, and I realize this now, we don't see these posts in here. Instead we see the posts describing all of this... Makes people like myself convinced that there is no good... And, sure, my tractor has problems. Can I say that a non-recon used tractor would have less? WHO KNOWS.
Lets stop this madness here. What you have is a yanmar, period.
And, from experience of owning both a recon and a used US yanmar, both are GREAT. Both have some issues. Both are 25+ years old. What am I to expect? latr
See the thing is, and I realize this now, we don't see these posts in here. Instead we see the posts describing all of this... Makes people like myself convinced that there is no good... And, sure, my tractor has problems. Can I say that a non-recon used tractor would have less? WHO KNOWS.
Lets stop this madness here. What you have is a yanmar, period.
And, from experience of owning both a recon and a used US yanmar, both are GREAT. Both have some issues. Both are 25+ years old. What am I to expect? latr
ChuckT
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I would like to take a moment to thank John Ryan of RCO for his posting and to say that I wish more people would take the time to respond as well as he did.
As a general comment I would also like to say that I am a frequent visitor to other forums and that I have seen that, at least in the forums that I visit, the forums have one thing in common – the forum ID creates an anonymity that is occasionally misused, it is far too easy to be irresponsible.
cvt
As a general comment I would also like to say that I am a frequent visitor to other forums and that I have seen that, at least in the forums that I visit, the forums have one thing in common – the forum ID creates an anonymity that is occasionally misused, it is far too easy to be irresponsible.
cvt
ChuckT
Gold Member
I would like to take a moment to thank John Ryan of RCO for his posting and to say that I wish more people would take the time to respond as well as he did.
As a general comment I would also like to say that I am a frequent visitor to other forums and that I have seen that, at least in the forums that I visit, the forums have one thing in common – the forum ID creates an anonymity that is occasionally misused, it is far too easy to be irresponsible.
cvt
As a general comment I would also like to say that I am a frequent visitor to other forums and that I have seen that, at least in the forums that I visit, the forums have one thing in common – the forum ID creates an anonymity that is occasionally misused, it is far too easy to be irresponsible.
cvt
kenmac
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