NEW POLE BARN/WORKSHOP

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ALHILLDIRT

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Would like to build a pole barn type building for a new workshop. I am planning on a 24' x 24' x 9' eve building with a concrete floor, and metal siding/roof. Planning on using 6"x6" PT poles on 8' centers around the perimeter and pre-fab trusses. I saw a builiding that had pre-fab trusses on 8' centers which put the load directly over the poles. They hung 2x4 purlins on edge between the trusses with metal hangers. When I contacted our local truss supplier, they told me they could design such a truss, but claimed it would be cheaper overall to put trusses on 4' centers and nail 2x4's flat over the trusses. Any thoughts out there as to which would be the most economical method? If I go with 4' centers what size beam would I need to carry the load?
 
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I like to put my truss's on 4 ft centers and use flat 2x4 for pulins. For you top beam, you might get away with smaller, but I just use 2x12's. It keeps it simple and easy that way. Besides, it's not that much more if you could go smaller.

Eddie
 
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24x24 is fairly small.

id suggest at least 30x30 to make it worth your while
 
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schmism said:
24x24 is fairly small.

id suggest at least 30x30 to make it worth your while

I agree, my house/garage is 24x24. If you have two vehicles in it, there's no room to work on anything. I'd go for all your budget will stand. I have a 30x50 and it's full.

As for the rafter discussion. How can it possibly be cheaper to put rafters at 4' intervals and add 2x12 sill beam??? I built on 8' centers and put my 2x4 roof purlins on edge. Didn't use hangers, cut them to fit between the rafters and toenailed them in. I've had snow load so heavy that it ripped my eave troughs off, but my roof didn't sag. I can't see how doubling the number of rafters, even though they might be lighter built, could possibly save money??
 
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I have a 24 x 24x 8 pole barn. 4' centers on trusses. 4x6 posts, 2x4 purlins on the flats. I bought the package in a neighboring county with 2x10 rim joists. My county told me I needed to go to 2x12. I agree that 24x24 is small- If you can go with a larger one, I would strongly suggest it- 24 x 32?
"Junk expands to take all available space"- old workshop proverb.
 
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Is a single 2x12 sufficient to hold the load from the roof? Or, should it be doubled?
 
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Land space is also an issue at this point, but have thought about increasing to a 24'x30'
 
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I had to use two 2x12's- one on each side of the posts. If land size is an issue, I will repeat my advice from my earlier post- you will not regret building it bigger.
 
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ALHILLDIRT said:
Is a single 2x12 sufficient to hold the load from the roof? Or, should it be doubled?

You don't get any snow, or if you do, it's very minimal. A single 2x12 is pretty standard. The poles will be holding the majority of the weight, the single truss in the middle will be reducing the load from the ones on the poles.

I agree that you probably wont be saving any money by adding truss's, but they with more of them, you can use smaller lumber. If your building it yourself, this can make a big difference.

My shop is 24 x 30 and is a real nice size. I have an outside lean-to for storage, a 10 foot wide rollup door and a man door. I don't park any vehicles in there and try real hard to keep things put away. I have lots of room.

Eddie
 
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What's the best way to attach the 2x12 to the top of the post? Notch the 6x6 post, or attach to the outside with lag screws and a 2x6 block under for support?
 
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My are 2' on center attic trusses. Gives more storage space. Helps if size of barn is an issue. Greg
 
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I'd use three 3/8's carraige bolts, or two half inch carraige bolts. There's no real need to block underneath.

Eddie
 
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The spacing of your trusses depends on the anticipated load on the roof and the construction of the truss. Up here in snow country, the only difference between a truss for 4' spacing and one for 8' spacing is the species of wood in the bottom chord and the size of the gussets or truss plates holding the thing together. If you get a truss designed for 8' spacing by someone in your area, it should work just fine.

There is a cost difference in the trusses and every time I've designed a building, things worked out pretty close to the same price whether I used the 8' trusses at a higher cost each or the 4' ones but more of them. Personally, I prefer the 4' spacing and laying the purlins flat just for the ease of moving around on the roof while putting it together and because guys without a lot of experience find it easier to get the nail in a 3 1/2" width than a 1 1/2" width when putting the roof sheathing or metal on.

Our local code calls for double 2 x 12 top plates made of yellow pine which is stonger than spruce, pine, fir or "whitewood" as it's called in the big box stores. They should be attached to the posts with 1/2" carriage bolts, and don't have a splice on both sides of the same post. Use 4 through bolts per post. Down there in Alabama where you don't need to design for a possible 18 or 24 inches of wet snow, you can probably get along just fine with a single 2 x 12 top plate -- check your local building codes to be sure.

If you're like here, the code doesn't need to be followed for an agricultural building and you won't need a permit or have to get it inspected. Still, it gives you a guide as to what kind of strength you should design into your building for your area, so check up on it.

There are two methods in use here for the side purlins -- 2x4 on 24" centers or 2x6 on 36" centers. We also call for at least 18" of treated tongue and groove skirting at the bottom, 18" diameter pads set 36" deep under each post, "Y" bracing from truss to post on anything 12' tall or over, angled 2x4's connecting the top of the the end truss internally back into the structure at least 12 feet, preferably among the "V" members but sometimes also along the bottom chord, and some kind of center bracing connecting the bottoms of all the trusses such as a 2x4 stringer running the length of the building.

I live in a county with a pretty strict building code. Someone living just a mile from me but over the county line would have a lot more latitude about how to do things, but I'd prefer to have a building made to our code in case of a serious storm, either summer or winter.
 
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Thanks for all the information. This is way more than I've been able to find so far. I'm leaning more toward the 4' spacing on trusses, because I believe the ease of assembly and the ease of installing a ceiling later makes more sense. If I use a single 2x12, should I cap it with 2x4 or 2x6 to give the truss more support area? Also, how do you recommend setting the end trusses (outside the post or over the post)
 
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I had a 60x40 pole barn built in se oklahoma. They used 5x5 post on 10` centers, trusses on 5` centers 2x4 purlins on 2` centers, double 2x10 rim joist on each side of the poles. 5 years so far so good, no snow to speak of here. kje
 
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ALHILLDIRT said:
What's the best way to attach the 2x12 to the top of the post? Notch the 6x6 post, or attach to the outside with lag screws and a 2x6 block under for support?

On my 50x64 shop they built the pole using 3 PT 2x6's nailed together. The middle one was a foot shorter than the other two. Then slide the truss in and bolt together with two 1"(?) bolts.
 

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