New rubber for an old friend

   / New rubber for an old friend
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#11  
BTDT said:
Couple of questions. Did you take rims off, and then put on new tires, or did you install them with rims on the tractor? Were the old tires good enough to save for later (an emergency), if not, rather than wrestle with them, I would have just cut them off? And ditto what everyone else has said about the looks of your Massey.

I'd MUCH rather have the rims attached to something solid...like a tractor. I leave 'em on.

One tire was still good. I saved it. A friend is coming by today after he gets off work to pick it up. The other had a 3" gash in the sidewall. It was booted and remained in use since the cut happened, but I sure wasn't going to re-mount it. Over the years, that gash caused a couple ruined innertubes. It fell victim to a Sawzall and air chisel :eek: after the bead breaker snapped.
 
   / New rubber for an old friend #12  
Very smart looking tractor, can you tell us all a bit about the 150? Havent seen that model down under? Looks like it has outboard dry drum brakes like a 135???? What engine is that? Does it have multi-power and ind pto?
What country was it built in? Canada-UK-France??? :rolleyes:
 
   / New rubber for an old friend
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#13  
Trac-Tech said:
Very smart looking tractor, can you tell us all a bit about the 150? Havent seen that model down under? Looks like it has outboard dry drum brakes like a 135???? What engine is that? Does it have multi-power and ind pto?
What country was it built in? Canada-UK-France??? :rolleyes:

More'n happy to tell you the 150 story as I know it!

Things began way back in the mid 1950's. When Massey Harris and Ferguson began to merge, Massey Harris dealers wanted a tractor simular to the venerable TO35. MH engineers wanted to expand the line to bigger, more powerful tractors. Harry Ferguson resisted. He saw the market as still wanting tractors from the TO20/TO30/TO35 lineage. MH engineers were working on what would become the MF65 and a model that never saw production, the MF75. Dealers were still divided into Massey Harris and Ferguson, in some areas, in direct competition with each other. When MH designers started thinking about their rendition of the 35, they decided to build it just a little different. A true row crop tractor was what they had in mind. So, the Massey Harris 50 was born. It took the basic drive train of the TO35 and employed a heavier front axle, longer steering bolster, better steering, larger cooling system, bigger fuel tank, better instrumentation, and deluxe seat. The new steering bolster allowed a better mounting point for front end loaders and mid-mounted cultivators. A "standard" version with 24" or 28" rear whels was available OR a high clearance row crop version, called a "High Arch" was also available. It used 38" rear wheels. The high arch could be had with a wide front end or narrow front w/ choice of single or double wheels. Ferguson dealers weren't wanting to be left out, so the Ferguson F-40 was cloned from the MH50. They were almost identical with the exception of the grill and hood. MH50's were built from 1955 through early 1957. F-40's were available from mid production in 1956 to mid 1957. At that point, they both became the Massey Ferguson 50. They were available with a Continental Z134 4-cylinder gas engine, rated at 32 hp (pto) Sometime in 1958, the MF 50 became available with the legendary Perkins AD3-152 diesel 3-cylinder rated at 38 hp (pto) MultiPower was first available on the MF50. The MH50/F-40/MF50 was sold only in North American markets. They were built in Detroit michigan.

About the time the MF50 hit the fields, Massey engineers began working on the "DX" series as their first "in house" new design. They were what became the 100 series tractors. The 35 became the 135 and the 50 became the 150.

In late 1964, Massey released their new 1965 models in the US. The new 150's came standard with all the deluxe features available as options on the 135 (flat-top fenders, full lighting, Float-Ride seat, power steering, ect) The high arch option was retained. The hydraulic systems were upgraded. a seperate draft control and position control lever was now the norm. A new dry element engine air filter was added, and by 1967, another transmission option was available (besides 3X2 and 3X2+Multi-Power) with the 4X2. High Arch models used the same disc brake rear end as the 165. Standards used external drums like the 135's. At one point in their production, 150's got a Perkins AG3-152 GAS variant replacing the Continental 4-cylinder. Many Multi-Power units had independent pto's, the bulk had 2-stage clutch's and live power.

The MH50/F-40/MF50/MF150 was approx. 9" longer wheel base than the 35/135. That gave it better ability to handle heavy rear mounted implements, as well as it responded to setting track widths at a wider stance. That gave more stability on hillsides.

In 1965 when the 150 diesel was tested at the Univ. of Nebraska, it became the most fuel efficient tractor tested to date. It retained that honor for several years.

Massey Ferguson issued serial numbers for the entire 100 series intermingled after 1966. There is no way of knowing exactly how many 150's were built. It is estimated that there were well over a million 135's worldwide, but 150 numbers were estimated to be around 100,000 (or less) As the demand for big horsepower took over US markets, the 150 was either too big or too small. It sold well in certain regions. Kentucky and Tennessee were where it sold best.

When the 200 series was introduced to US markets in 1975, no direct replacement was issued for the 150.

I've always explained the 150 as a 135 on steroids.

Mine is a 1971, 8-speed w/2-stage clutch, diesel.
 
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#14  
Farmwithjunk said:
More'n happy to tell you the 150 story as I know it!

Things began way back in the mid 1950's. When Massey Harris and Ferguson began to merge, Massey Harris dealers wanted a tractor simular to the venerable TO35. MH engineers wanted to expand the line to bigger, more powerful tractors. Harry Ferguson resisted. He saw the market as still wanting tractors from the TO20/TO30/TO35 lineage. MH engineers were working on what would become the MF65 and a model that never saw production, the MF75. Dealers were still divided into Massey Harris and Ferguson, in some areas, in direct competition with each other. When MH designers started thinking about their rendition of the 35, they decided to build it just a little different. A true row crop tractor was what they had in mind. So, the Massey Harris 50 was born. It took the basic drive train of the TO35 and employed a heavier front axle, longer steering bolster, better steering, larger cooling system, bigger fuel tank, better instrumentation, and deluxe seat. The new steering bolster allowed a better mounting point for front end loaders and mid-mounted cultivators. A "standard" version with 24" or 28" rear whels was available OR a high clearance row crop version, called a "High Arch" was also available. It used 38" rear wheels. The high arch could be had with a wide front end or narrow front w/ choice of single or double wheels. Ferguson dealers weren't wanting to be left out, so the Ferguson F-40 was cloned from the MH50. They were almost identical with the exception of the grill and hood. MH50's were built from 1955 through early 1957. F-40's were available from mid production in 1956 to mid 1957. At that point, they both became the Massey Ferguson 50. They were available with a Continental Z134 4-cylinder gas engine, rated at 32 hp (pto) Sometime in 1958, the MF 50 became available with the legendary Perkins AD3-152 diesel 3-cylinder rated at 38 hp (pto) MultiPower was first available on the MF50. The MH50/F-40/MF50 was sold only in North American markets. They were built in Detroit michigan.

About the time the MF50 hit the fields, Massey engineers began working on the "DX" series as their first "in house" new design. They were what became the 100 series tractors. The 35 became the 135 and the 50 became the 150.

In late 1964, Massey released their new 1965 models in the US. The new 150's came standard with all the deluxe features available as options on the 135 (flat-top fenders, full lighting, Float-Ride seat, power steering, ect) The high arch option was retained. The hydraulic systems were upgraded. a seperate draft control and position control lever was now the norm. A new dry element engine air filter was added, and by 1967, another transmission option was available (besides 3X2 and 3X2+Multi-Power) with the 4X2. High Arch models used the same disc brake rear end as the 165. Standards used external drums like the 135's. At one point in their production, 150's got a Perkins AG3-152 GAS variant replacing the Continental 4-cylinder. Many Multi-Power units had independent pto's, the bulk had 2-stage clutch's and live power.

The MH50/F-40/MF50/MF150 was approx. 9" longer wheel base than the 35/135. That gave it better ability to handle heavy rear mounted implements, as well as it responded to setting track widths at a wider stance. That gave more stability on hillsides.

In 1965 when the 150 diesel was tested at the Univ. of Nebraska, it became the most fuel efficient tractor tested to date. It retained that honor for several years.

Massey Ferguson issued serial numbers for the entire 100 series intermingled after 1966. There is no way of knowing exactly how many 150's were built. It is estimated that there were well over a million 135's worldwide, but 150 numbers were estimated to be around 100,000 (or less) As the demand for big horsepower took over US markets, the 150 was either too big or too small. It sold well in certain regions. Kentucky and Tennessee were where it sold best.

When the 200 series was introduced to US markets in 1975, no direct replacement was issued for the 150.

I've always explained the 150 as a 135 on steroids.

Mine is a 1971, 8-speed w/2-stage clutch, diesel.

Brain fart! I typed this message in a rush and made a big oooops. I realized the mistake a couple hours ago and would like to clear it up.

There weren't "a million 135's". There was roughly 1 million 100 series tractors produced worldwide from 1964 through the late 1970's when worldwide production ceased. Roughly 10% of U.S. production was model 150's, estimated to be around 14,000 units total. I hope no one bet the ranch based on my bad information. Sorry for the confusion.
 
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Farmwithjunk said:
Brain fart! I typed this message in a rush and made a big oooops. I realized the mistake a couple hours ago and would like to clear it up.

There weren't "a million 135's". There was roughly 1 million 100 series tractors produced worldwide from 1964 through the late 1970's when worldwide production ceased. Roughly 10% of U.S. production was model 150's, estimated to be around 14,000 units total. I hope no one bet the ranch based on my bad information. Sorry for the confusion.

Evenin Bill,
Well I really didnt notice ! ;) But it was one heck of a good read !!! :) Boy you have long posts ! ;)
 
   / New rubber for an old friend #16  
Farmwithjunk said:
More'n happy to tell you the 150 story as I know it!

Great read!! Thanks for taking the time and explaining it. I knew a little, but very little.

Eddie
 
   / New rubber for an old friend #17  
My first thought was that those Titans look just like Goodyear DynaTorque so I checked Titan website and they claim to be the maker of Goodyear Farm tires also. I guess they look alike because they are?!?
 
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#18  
HickoryNut said:
My first thought was that those Titans look just like Goodyear DynaTorque so I checked Titan website and they claim to be the maker of Goodyear Farm tires also. I guess they look alike because they are?!?


Armstrong bought GoodYear AG division. Armstrong is now known as Titan. GoodYear line is still seperate from Titan so far as I know. I've got a pait of GoodYear DtnaTorque II's on one of my tractors. They're simular, but enough difference side-by-side that it's obvious they're, well, different. DynaTorqueII's are softer rubber compound and wear quicker. lugs (bars) are slightly different. Bars are also somewhat "heavier" or thicker on the GoodYears. Armstrong/Titan had their version of the long bar/short bar tread pattern prior to buying GoodYear Ag division.

Now I've got "pre-sellout" GoodYears, A pair of "post sellout" GoodYears, a set of old Armstrongs, and now 2 sets of Titans. Side-by-side comparison aught to be interesting.

Something else I find very interesting. You'll get more contradictory accounts of how good and/or bad various brands of farm tractor tires are than any passenger car or truck tires. Case in point, Titan. I've had great luck with them. I've heard reports from others that parallel my opinion, as well as "I wouldn't own 'em, they're JUNK". In most cases, the "junk" reports came from users who damaged them in rough use and then were turned down on warranty claims. All I can go by is my own experiences, which are good so far.
 
   / New rubber for an old friend #19  
Bill, thanks for the history! I bought an 1957 gasser MH 50 in 1970 with industrial loader and backhoe, to build my house and barn. The poor tractor was overloaded with heavy iron but still worked out like a champ. I had it about ten years, plowed snow, built and moved buildings, erected timber frames, dug wells, etc. A move forced me to sell it, for more than I paid, and the buyer still has it and uses it 25 years later. Quite a rig for its day, and still a viable tractor, though not high-shine like yours any more. Glad to see yours looking so good.
Jim
 
   / New rubber for an old friend #20  
Fascinating history Bill, and one sweet looking tractor. Thanks for posting!
 

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