New rules for ethanol in gasoline
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Read it in the local rag this morning (AP article) so I had no link as it wasn't on the net to begin with and I didn't look.
If you leave e-gas in a carb without additive for an extended period, it will separate (called phase shift) and the water will most certainly corrode the inside of the carb and clog the jets. Been there and done that more than once. I imagine that an EFI engine is less impacted but something with a carb is.
Why all my small stuff (chainsaws and weed eaters) are now on synthetic fuel). All carbed and all susceptible tp getting gunked up and the chainsaws with their diaphragm carbs especially.
I always use Marine Stabil in the mowers as they sit all winter with full fuel tanks but phase shift is still an issue.
Most small engines don't like e-gas. They will tolerate 10% but 15% could spell death for them. In fact, most newer small engines state that right on the fuel tank or on the gas cap for a reason.
Both of our vehicles are flex fuel which means the fuel delivery components are tolerant of alcohol though I've never used it and it is widely available here.
I get 40 on regular anyway, good enough for me as I don't drive all that much anyway.
Even states in our owners manuals that using E85 will decrease the fuel mileage. I imagine that Fords (my car) and GM (my wife's Suburban) know what they are talking about.
I know on my car it states in the owners manual to run a tank of regular unleaded every 4th tankfull. Why I don't know.
If you leave e-gas in a carb without additive for an extended period, it will separate (called phase shift) and the water will most certainly corrode the inside of the carb and clog the jets. Been there and done that more than once. I imagine that an EFI engine is less impacted but something with a carb is.
Why all my small stuff (chainsaws and weed eaters) are now on synthetic fuel). All carbed and all susceptible tp getting gunked up and the chainsaws with their diaphragm carbs especially.
I always use Marine Stabil in the mowers as they sit all winter with full fuel tanks but phase shift is still an issue.
Most small engines don't like e-gas. They will tolerate 10% but 15% could spell death for them. In fact, most newer small engines state that right on the fuel tank or on the gas cap for a reason.
Both of our vehicles are flex fuel which means the fuel delivery components are tolerant of alcohol though I've never used it and it is widely available here.
I get 40 on regular anyway, good enough for me as I don't drive all that much anyway.
Even states in our owners manuals that using E85 will decrease the fuel mileage. I imagine that Fords (my car) and GM (my wife's Suburban) know what they are talking about.
I know on my car it states in the owners manual to run a tank of regular unleaded every 4th tankfull. Why I don't know.
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One thing I didn't mention and most non farmers don't realize is, American farmers combine corn (strip the cobs of kernels and leave the stalks and stripped cobs in the field) and the majority of the alcohol producing sugar is actually in the stalk itself. European corn growers that grow e-corn chop the entire plant, cob, kernels and stalks and all of it goes to the distiller.
The other issue is, distillers are particular about varieties of corn grown. IOW, corn grown for food production and e-corn are 2 different animals and distillers like to control pricing as in cheap.
What happened here. The distiller went out of business when local farmers were told they had to grow specific varieties and sell to them at a low ball price. Once that went down and local farmers realized food grade corn paid much better at the elevator, the local distiller folded.
Finally, it's a well proven and documented fact that it takes more energy to produce a gallon of corn alcohol than that gallon produces in realized energy, which is why all distillers need gummit subsidies to stay in business.
You pay twice. Once in taxes and then again at the pump.
The other issue is, distillers are particular about varieties of corn grown. IOW, corn grown for food production and e-corn are 2 different animals and distillers like to control pricing as in cheap.
What happened here. The distiller went out of business when local farmers were told they had to grow specific varieties and sell to them at a low ball price. Once that went down and local farmers realized food grade corn paid much better at the elevator, the local distiller folded.
Finally, it's a well proven and documented fact that it takes more energy to produce a gallon of corn alcohol than that gallon produces in realized energy, which is why all distillers need gummit subsidies to stay in business.
You pay twice. Once in taxes and then again at the pump.
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IIRC, every bushel of corn processed for ethanol produces about 3 gallons of ethanol and about 20 lbs of animal feed. And, from what I understand, the feed produced is much richer than the corn before the processing, so it displaces about 120%.
IOW, 100lbs of ethanol-processed feed takes the place of 120lbs of corn. Not sure about all that.
I'm not crazy about using it for ethanol but I don't think it's as bad as some think. Technology is good in the right hands.
In the wrong hands -- Well, those people screw up everything they touch anyway, so.................
IOW, 100lbs of ethanol-processed feed takes the place of 120lbs of corn. Not sure about all that.
I'm not crazy about using it for ethanol but I don't think it's as bad as some think. Technology is good in the right hands.
In the wrong hands -- Well, those people screw up everything they touch anyway, so.................
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EPA proposes allowing year-round sale of cheaper, higher-ethanol gas blends in Wisconsin and seven other states
A fuel blend with larger amounts of ethanol, known as E15 or Unleaded 88 could become avialable year-round under a proposed EPA rule.www.jsonline.com
For the conspiracy people: It's all a plot to kill small gas engines to be replaced with battery powered ones.
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To my reading, this is not forcing anyone to buy E85 gas. It would be allowing its sale in the summer months, as well as winter.
When I have seen E85 offered for sale in Ohio, it is labeled as a cheaper alternative. The same station offers "normal" gas for a higher price, and it can have up to 10% ethanol.
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I live in a small, rural county in Middle Tennessee. Since the price of ethanol gas per gallon is cheaper, that's what sells at every place in town except one store that still offers 100% gas. If that one store stops selling 100% gas, the next place that sells it is in the next county about 20 miles away who sells it because they are on the same road that leads to a major fishing lake.
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Syn Fuel ?? what is syn fuel ?
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OK Folks. 15% ethanol is NOT E85!
They are two different product.
E15 is 15% ethanol and 85% gasoline.
E85 is 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline.
Also, the OP's statement is misleading.
No one is forcing people in those states to use E15. It allows them to sell E15 all year VS just seasonally.
They are two different product.
E15 is 15% ethanol and 85% gasoline.
E85 is 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline.
Also, the OP's statement is misleading.
No one is forcing people in those states to use E15. It allows them to sell E15 all year VS just seasonally.
EPA proposes allowing year-round sale of cheaper, higher-ethanol gas blends in Wisconsin and seven other states
A fuel blend with larger amounts of ethanol, known as E15 or Unleaded 88 could become avialable year-round under a proposed EPA rule.
www.jsonline.com
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The majority of gasoline sold in the US is E10. It has never been made at refineries, and has always been blended at the rack, as they say. It's been that way since the 80s. So this is nothing new.
Refinery Mixology: What's in Your Gasoline? - OPIS, A Dow Jones Company
Finished gasoline isn't a common output from U.S. refiners. Instead, they produce gasoline blendstocks to which ethanol is added at the rack. Learn more.
blog.opisnet.com