New Suzue owner with questions

[sbennett139]

OK more great info thanks guys.

I like the crossbar type attachment for the lower lift arms. I dont like the idea of putting it where the two pins are currently. I think it would be fine for implements that are not pulled through the dirt or even a tiller since you are traveling at such slow speeds and the tiller spins in the direction of travel. But once I hook up to a plow those small pins that would hold the crossbar in place are liable to give way. I think instead I will add new holes just behind those tabs and mount the crossbar there. This way it will be stronger.

I liked the kubota set up because the stability. There is literally no lateral movement. I wouldn't need to fabricate other attachment points for the check chains, and the check chains are inside the lower lift arms so they are less likely to catch on things. The Iseki set up shown above is very similar with the exception of the check chains being on the outside. And I bet the parts would be cheaper then the kubota setup.

I have either emailed or called just about everybody including smallimporttractors about the 3 point system for this tractor and they have all told me they don't have anything for me.

NHMitch I am curious what is the measurement from lower lift arm to lower lift arm on the tractor side? I don't know how to do any of that fancy picture editing or I would post one with my question.

Thanks everybody

 

[NHmitch]

The lift arms are about 12in apart where they connect to the tractor. There is a spacer that keeps them about an inch away from the holes where the cross bar goes. The entire length of the cross bar is about 19 in. That sounds like a smart idea to make the holes. The cross bar is very strong, and I plow with it, and scoop about 700-800lbs of dirt and gravel while backing up using a dirt scoop. Stevens tractor has the lift arm kit for about $269.00, but I have seen it under $200 on ebay from time to time. Three Point Hitch Kit. I hope this helps a bit..

 

[Ilikeurtractor]

Lateral movement is a problem with the Cat 1 design NHmitch posted. My Iseki originally had a cat 0 with stabilizing chains going on the inside of the tractor lugs to the cross bar. That made for great lateral stability, but didn't allow the long 3-pt arms to open up to attach to an implement w/o constant adjustment of the turnbuckles it had. Having the chains on the outside does allow the arms to open wide to go over the attachment pins so it makes sense why the cat 1s are set up that way. However, any moderate side loading to the 3-pt causes high bending stresses on the cross bar and can cause it to deform near the tractor lug. Not a great design. I'll need to study others' like maybe the Kubota's design that was mentioned and see what it would take to beef this up. I wound up using a 4140 steel bar for mine as it is stronger than regular mild steel, but ultimately it would be best to try to eliminate any bending forces which is usually the greatest enemy to any structural design.

 

[NHmitch]

Thats a good point about the stresses involved. Mine is a Cat1, but I do have to say that I have had to adjust the turnbuckles when I add the dirt scoop, but I recently added the Fast Change Hitch's to the lift arms, and I haven't had to adjust the turnbuckles with any of the implements because now I just lift up under the pins, instead of sliding the lift arms on and off. I think it is because it extended the arms by about 4-5 inches. I have not tried the chains, and I was not sure about them, because I do not know how you adjust them. The problems I have had, is I have to keep mine ridged because the arms will hit the tires if there is too much side to side movement with my largest attachment. I think that there definitely could be a better method than the cross bar, but I am not sure how you would do that on the Suzue. If there is, then it would be worth it. The original cross bar I had was bent, and it was 20+ years old, and I have replaced it, and have not bent it a bit with quite a bit of force, but as the steel ages, I am not sure how it will respond. Its tricky, because I have seen Suzue's with lift arms, but I think that they were made strictly for Rice Paddys like most older Japanese tractors, and most Iseki's and similar brands never had the Rotovator taken off for the life of the tractor, so they did not need the lift arms, they all had a unique design that allowed the rotovator to attach to the tractor. I do not know how to weld, so I really can't suggest another way, but the pins that were attached looked like they were starting to bend the attachment point. Anyways, very good suggestions, and I just wondering how well the chains work, and how you adjust them. Thanks!

 

[sbennett139]

After you guys get done laughing at my expert graphics tell me what you think.

As you see in the yellow I plan to modify the bracket so that the crossbar will be supported on either side of the lower lifting arm to combat bending the crossbar. I think this will work pretty well. The original bracket is roughly 9" from outside to outside. So I will have to play with arms and may need to add spacers etc so that I dont bind the ams when they are hooked up to an implement.

thanks guys

 

[oliver28472]

If you get a pto reverser on there you may have to re-engineer those pivot points for the lower arms. My Buck came with brackets on each side of the axle housing that are bolted through to the rear case.

 

[sbennett139]

Oliver that is a great point about the pto reverser.

Lens12 can you provide me with some general overall deminsions on your reverser so if I can pick one up in the future it will work.

Thanks guys

 

[oliver28472]

The Case-IH 244 and 245 use the same engine as your tractor. You might get lucky and either find one of those to look at or go to the dealer and ask to look at the parts book or whatever they use, probably on computer. It could be the parts you need but could be expensive if you have to buy new. I would not mention that you are looking for Suzue parts. By the way, there is a guy on here named Art that might be the man to ask.