New (to me) safe, need ideas.

   / New (to me) safe, need ideas. #61  
Sounds like a good plan, but at this point I'm not the plan maker. These guys are used to moving the equipment that moves stuff like this safe and have tons of experience moving lots of tons at a time. Around here, they are who is called when 40 tons of loaded semi falls into a 200' deep hole. When I told them I may have been told the weight incorrectly, that it is likely 12k instead of 10k, they just shrugged and said "ok" in such a manner I may as well have told them it weighed a ton less rather than a ton more. They seem totally unconcerned about the weight. Distance of travel seems to concern them more than the amount of weight to be transported. I'll let them handle it however they want to and learn what I can from them by watching.


My old employer is scrapping out some large machinery at 30,000 pounds a machine. The scrapper managed to put it on skates with a 40K crane in the building, and roll it out the dock onto a semi. They took it to the local scrap yards only to find out the scrap yards don't have large enough cranes to get it off the semi. They have to drive it to another town 100 miles away to a place with a big enough crane.

I helped install some of this stuff. It isn't something to mess with. Heavy weights will kill you quick. Glad you found someone to do it. :thumbsup:
 
   / New (to me) safe, need ideas. #62  
Yep I would ask them their advice on how to store it too so that when the time comes to move it the final 100 feet you are prepared. Blocking it up a couple inches seems reasonable so you can get under it to start the move.

The video posted in this thread of the guy moving huge blocks of concrete was interesting. However nowhere in the video did it explain how he got the first board or pebble under it. That is the trick.
 
   / New (to me) safe, need ideas.
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#63  
Right now the plan is to put it behind a small shed I'm taking out and replacing with a big pavilion in another month or two. It will be in the middle of the pavilion once completed. Hopefully by the end of summer, I'll have the new workshop built behind the house, which it will move into.

For the temporary placement, I'll dig the sod and other soft bits out of the way and fill in with some limestone sand to get an area for it perfectly level and flat. This was something that was recommended by the company that supplied my concrete septic tank and I have plenty leftover from that project. It worked out great for that and supported the weight of the tank without shifting or settling any, even when filled with 1500 gallons of water; which together, I am sure totaled more than the weight of this safe...

On top of the limestone sand I'm going to put some 6x6 treated timbers for the safe to set on. Before they put the safe down, I'm going to coat the tops of the timbers with heavy duty grease so the safe doesn't get stuck to them. For now, I'll store a 5lbs can of desiccant inside each half of it, cover it in plastic, and pile pallets on and around it to hold the plastic in place.

When times comes for the final move, I'll work that out then. Some of the folk around the farm have bigger stuff than me that I might enlist to assist.

If all goes to plan, I'll get my temporary spot setup Sunday and have it delivered Monday (hopefully with pics).
 
   / New (to me) safe, need ideas. #64  
He uses wedges, thin wedges. once he has a small gap comes the pry bar. The real question is, "how did it get there on his slab?" : )
 
   / New (to me) safe, need ideas. #65  
I would strongly suggest keeping it upright. If you lay it on it's side or back you may never get it open. The locking mechanism may not be able to handle being on it's back or side bouncing on the road. That is a lot of weight to be put in a position it was not meant to be. It could be designed to not open if tilted too far. I would strongly suggest checking with manufactuer before setting on it's back or side. This is not your typical gun safe.
 
   / New (to me) safe, need ideas. #66  
It sounds like an old safe out of a small town bank to me. I would keep it upright, and make sure moisture does not get to it. I think any building you put it in will need to be heated and/or climate controlled, or you will get rust and mold, and possibly seizure of the locking mechanisms. These were designed to be kept inside a substantial, heated building.
 
   / New (to me) safe, need ideas.
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Sort of. It held 120+ safe deposit boxes at a local credit union branch office. It spent a couple weeks under plastic and covered in pallets at that worksite setting in the parking lot without issue. I have it up off the ground on some 6x6 treated timbers, but the same overall arrangement. One benefit to being a commercial safe, all the parts are still available for it. Everything works smooth like new, but should something occur it can be repaired without a huge expense.

When I arrived at the place doing the hauling today, it was apparent it had slipped the owner's mind. When he was considering what to do, another fella stepped out and said "don't let him BS ya any, whatever ya need done we can do. What do ya need?". Owner said "12,000lbs safe hauled 40 miles." and the other fella replied "No problem, point me in the right direction, lets go!". The boss was fumbling to get the words out "uh, that's what my rollbacks are rated at." and shouted for one of the other guys that was washing one of the big trucks. Told him "take the new rig down and see if you can load this guy's safe".

I went on to the site ahead of him as I had a meeting there with other contractors and the owner. The driver showed up in a new F650 rollback a bit later and brought along a helper.

I went out and told them if they could turn it around with the safe doors on the driver's side of their truck it would make unloading a bit better at the destination. They had high confidence at this point and said "no problem".

I went back to the meeting but could see what was going on and they had no issues turning it around. My meeting finished and I went back over to watch and/or assist. I snapped a quick pic of them rigging it up to start the load.

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After rigging it up, they winched it up tight to the edge of the bed, but it wouldn't come off the ground to start up the bed (only needed to come up about a half inch to start onto the bed). The guy operating the truck kept the winch pulled tight and tried working the hydraulic extension on the bed to get it to pop up and start up the ramp. All that did was push and drag the truck about 3 feet in each direction, the safe never moved.

As they were stopping to reassess the situation, I got that prybar that was recommended earlier in this thread (THANK YOU) out of my truck and said "maybe this will help". We found a place along the back of the safe it would fit under it. With one of us hanging on the prybar, and the other two pushing on the safe as if trying to knock it over, we were able to get bits of this and that under it enough to get it teetering lengthwise a little bit. Just enough to create a half inch gap under the end of it. We picked up a couple old pieces of 1/2" rebar that was laying around and stuck one end under the leading edge of the safe, and the other end on top of the truck bed. At that point, he winched it up tight again and it bent the rebar as it pulled up to the edge of the bed, but still wouldn't pull up and onto the bed. He started working the hydraulics on the bed again, shoving the truck around like it was nothing. The driver said "I don't think this is going to work, we're going to need..." and just then the safe popped over the edge of the bed. Guy hit the winch and pulled it up the bed. Driver said "That's why I brought him along, he's persistent about these things and gets it done!"

Once up on the truck, the tires sat REALLY low. I'd say there was a good 8" contact patch. When it was loaded, it seemed like it was centered pretty good, but when you stepped back away from it, you could see the entire truck leaning to the right. Turned out the safe was about 3" off center towards the passenger side of his truck. Driver said he could really feel the weight on left hand turns, and the best uphill speed was 55MPH on the interstate with a 70MPH limit. He also said it was the smoothest ride he ever had in that truck. :D

After getting to the farm, he backed up to the temporary pad I setup for it and tipped the bed, but couldn't tip it enough for it to slide down the bed. He had to pull forward some to get more tilt on the bed. After getting it to the back of the bed, the front of the truck was a couple inches off the ground and the bed hydraulics wouldn't tilt back up to get over the pad I'd made. I asked "do you think my tractor would give enough assist to get it up?" and he said "we can try" so I went to the barn and got it out. Switched from the grapple to my bucket, and when I got over by the truck, he told me to try pushing down on the front of his bed. I did, but all it did was lift the front of my tractor. I told him I only get about 1500lbs in downforce before the front comes up, but I can lift over 2000 so it might be best if I tried lifting at the rear. He agreed and I reposition. It took everything my tractor and his bed hydraulics had, but we got it back up so he could back over the pad. From there it was clear sailing. He set the edge of the safe on the timbers and pulled the bed out from under it with ease. Before dropping it fully, we put some pieces of rebar under one end so it wouldn't be setting tight on the timbers and be easier to get ahold of for the final move to the new building.

At this point I was able to get a couple other pics.

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Ignore the leaning shed behind it, that will be coming out this month and replaced with a pavilion to cover everything. There are grapes beside that shed that is pulling it over, they are getting moved too...
 
   / New (to me) safe, need ideas. #68  
Why didn't you just pull the bed forward instead if trying to lift it? It doesn't take very much to pull the front of my truck off the ground with the bed back, but I've never met a load that it couldn't pull the bed back up the track. Then I use the wheel lift to help it. That moves the pivot point back significantly. That F-650 is probably 3 times the truck my F-450 is. I'm surprised they had that much trouble.
 
   / New (to me) safe, need ideas. #69  
That is the Mother of All Safes when it comes to having one at Home...

Safes are starting to come back in vogue to cater to the legal and cash only Marijuana trade in California...
 
   / New (to me) safe, need ideas.
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Why didn't you just pull the bed forward instead if trying to lift it? It doesn't take very much to pull the front of my truck off the ground with the bed back, but I've never met a load that it couldn't pull the bed back up the track. Then I use the wheel lift to help it. That moves the pivot point back significantly. That F-650 is probably 3 times the truck my F-450 is. I'm surprised they had that much trouble.

He never slid the bed back, only tipped it. When he couldn't get enough tip on the bed to make the safe slide back while parked over the pad, he had to pull forward. After getting it slid out where the safe was sticking an inch or two past the end of the bed, it wouldn't tilt back up to be able to back over the pad. Once we got the bed back up enough, he backed it up over the pad and THEN slid the bed back which made just enough reach to set the bit of the safe that was hanging off at the far end of the pad. At that point, he just retracted the bed from under it and it settled onto the pad with ease.

I do agree an F450 rollback would not have handled it. This new F650 barely did. This isn't a typical lightweight gun safe for sure. From my understanding, the best gun safes are made out of grade 70 plate no more than an inch thick. This thing is made from 2" AR500 and has a 1" thick divider between the two halves. Just pulling out of the parking lot the whole truck leaned like it was about to fall over. Watching it in my rearview mirror as we went up the highway, it looked like the rear passenger side tires were low. That wasn't the case, the safe was just setting 3" off center...
 

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