New tractor at TSC

[patrick_g]

This is not an off brand tractor bash!

If you have to ask sales persons at chain stores (TSC, Wall-Mart, etc) about products like tractors and such then you are NOT qualified to buy such an item. Wearing a vest with the store logo does not infuse anyone with experience or product knowledge. What sort of technical nutrition questions would you expect to get answered correctly at the drive up window of a fast food outlet? Many chain store employees are similarly prepared to hold forth with info on tractors, generators, welders, implements, etc. If it is higher tech than slip joint pliers be careful who you ask and what you believe.

Pat

 

[Soundguy]

The chinese tractors still intrigue me. i may one day own one.. especially if the big ones are as cheap as I have been seeing mention of.. etc

Longevity? I guess that goes right hand in hand with price and the economy nature of them. I see it mentioned that some people have hundreds of hours on them and they think this is a big milestone. More or less.. i like to see multi thousands of hours on a chassie.. like 3+ minimum.. still that is concerning the 'big 3' brands.. and the price o fthe big 3. It may well be that the chinese ones just won't put up with that. but then again.. at half.. or somefraction of the price.. then.. we shouldn't expect it either.

As manufacturing process get better and better.. I'm keeping my eyes open... and would love to see an 82 hp job parked outside my TSC.. I'd be waiting there the morning they got it to test drive it...

My wife would probably hide my credit card as well...

Soundguy

Mornin Thingy,
I want to start by saying that I have never bashed Chinese tractors ! And Im certainly not going to start now ! When I decided that I needed a 30-35 hp range loader tractor with a deisel I looked at a bunch of equipment. I have a local dealer that sells the Jinma and I spent some time looking at them mainly because they were in my price range ! I did come to the same conclusion as Joe did, that I didnt like the looks of some of the castings, the IMO chintzy brake and clutch petals etc... I have been a toolmaker all my life and even though I feel I can fix a lot of stuff that breaks, when it comes to failed castings, that could present some major problems down the road... At the point when I ruled out a Chinese machine, my pocketbook hadnt changed so I started looking at used equipment. I finally found a 1986 Massey Ferguson that I could afford. The tractor had 1300 hrs on it at that point and to be fair about it, it was made in Japan. Its powered by a Toyosha deisel. IMO, if you parked that tractor next to a comparable hp Chinese tractor, the difference is like night and day ! Its much more solidly built, heavier and beefier castings etc... Certainly not to say that the Chinese tractors wont do the job, because obviously they ARE doing the job ! This decision worked for me, but it may not be the way for everyone. I personally dont have a problem doing some wrenching on a tractor to reapir it, but thats just me.....

 

[thingy]

Well as far as the welds on mine,they don't look bad,I could do better but better than some things I've seen,,,got my little girl a chinese 4 wheeler an 80 cc,,now the welds on that little thing musta been done by machine,very nice welds,,can't say buy one of them or not,,she won't hardly ride it,,,,yet. but its supposed to have a honda made engine in it,[couldn't prove that,,no honda name thats for sure on it,,,but for 1100 dollars it was about half price of a name brand 90 cc.
nothing wrong with bashing if you have had one or are telling the truth,,[guess than it wouldn't really be bashing??],,just stateing facts,,,but some people bad mouth them and have never even seen one,,,than some bash them who have seen them but make up lies,like can't get parts,,thats what gets people.
But once again,,they are not the tractor a big 4-5 is,,and no arguement there,,wish I had a big john deere or kobota parked outside,,no lie,,,but if pigs had wings they could fly,,maybe,,don't think a pig could fly even if he did have wings,,,but,,,well maybe someday,,,,right now hope this chinese tractor gets me through its 5th year with any trouble,,should have about 700 hours trouble free if it does,,always did figure if I could get 1,000 hours out of it with out something major happening,,I would be totally satisfied,,might even buy another and use old one for parts if that happens,,[it ain't happened yet,but I'm getting close!!,,knock on my head again,],,thingy

 

[BBB]

I don't know about the tractors, but we " the company I work for" bought one of the Brister Chuck Wagon 4X4 utility vehicles. It has a Honda 390CC engine in it. It broke "minor" I called TSC and they referred me to the local Honda shop. I went there and they began to laugh. They finally agreed to fix the engine, but informed me that they would not touch the rest of the machine.

 

[thingy]

Well,laugh or not,,that musta meant it was a honda motor,or they wouldn't have,so maybe that rumor I heard about this little 4 wheeler was right,,does sound good,,looks well made to,thingy

 

[Ranch_Hand_Supp]

Anyone that owns a Jinma or has researched them know that a Jinma cannot be compared to a big three tractor maker. Most owners and some sellers know that they make a great little tractor for the money as long as someone gives it a good quality control and service before it is put to work. Most of the Jinma owners do not live near the selling dealer or the seller does not offer service/parts and have to depend on their self or another repair shop because there are not as many Jinma dealers as the big 3 has. Jinma is some what still new to the US and the product has been better every year. Foton is probably going to be a strong player. Most hobby farmers or [a lot] depend / need a local dealer for service/repair and the big three helps them when making a decision on which tractor to purchase. Most all hobby farm tractors are used a lot when first purchased and then it sets more than it gets used. How much money you want to invest in a tractor that is not going to make you a return depends on how much money you got or can spend. Jinma is just another growing choice for the American market.

This may be another choice ?/ PRODUCTS


I had a local neighbor drive his brand new TC30 new Holland tractor to my shop to look at a LiTW Korean backhoe a month ago and he ask me if I would service it for him ...... I said sure let me know when and he said as soon as you can get it in the shop...... I said it's brand new.... he said it has not been greased, had a rattle some where, loose wires etc, etc........ just wanted me to go over it . His selling dealer was/is 4 1/2 hours away ..... they delivered to him.

Point of the story all tractors need prep/service maintenance. Does that make that TC30 junk or make the seller a bad dealer?? or neither?

Over the years I have broke a lot of new paint around injection pumps, injectors, water pump, starters, alternators, hyd pump etc, etc on many different makes of tractors and equipment with very low hours ....... and have had to wait sometimes months to get parts to repair them. Does that make all of them junk?

In today's market you have to do your home work before you purchase anything from anybody and not just go by what that particular sales person is telling you and what are your repair abilities

Ronald
Ranch Hand Supply

 

[Tractors4u]

Well,laugh or not,,that musta meant it was a honda motor,or they wouldn't have,so maybe that rumor I heard about this little 4 wheeler was right,,does sound good,,looks well made to,thingy

The Bristor Chuckwagons do have Honda engines in them and they are built in the U.S., Mississippi I believe. I doubt that your daughters 4 wheeler has a Honda built engine. More than likely it is an engine built in China using a blue print of a Honda Engine. One of my daughter's has a Chinese 4 wheeler, the other daughter has a Korean. Night and day difference. However knowing how fast kids out grow things, I took a chance on a $650 Chinese ATV. It has a 70cc engine that looks identical to the 70cc that Honda used in their trail bikes and small ATVs. It is very cold natured, hard to start, but once warmed up runs good. Overall for $650, it was a good deal. Clean welds, etc, etc. It will pull my 200# butt around the yard. One thing I really don't like is that it has an electric start, but the vehicle does not charge it's own battery. You have to connect it to a charger to charge the starter battery.

 

[thingy]

Yeah you maybe right,,but the way these companies work with china,its hard to say.. This little one must charge battery,,had it for a year and its started every time now,,and that battery looks pretty cheap. Took me a while to figure out the kill switch,,if you use it to stop it,you gotta push it again to start it,,and you can't tell,what postion its in,start or kill,,,but yeah,thats why I bought it,,they out grow things like that quick,,thingy

 

[montanaman]

I need to tell the guys reading on this site that it can not be stressed enough that you need to buy a Jinma from a place that knows Jimna tractors and that is not TSC. There are guys on here all the time that make a living on Jinma tractors and they know the product and stock the parts. If you choose to shop by price alone, you will be very sorry in the long run and you will be one of the folks on here posting about problems that you are having. I sold Jinma tractors in the past and there was no way that I could compete with a company that was selling a tractor that was not properly serviced because I invested a lot more money and time into every tractor that I delivered. These things need fluids changed and I was putting good quality batteries in them. I had a routine that I would go through with every tractor as it was being built and that included taking a lot of factory parts off and replacing tham with better parts. Quality control is not very good in China and it is up to a good dealer to take care of those problems when the tractor gets here.

I had a lady call me just a few weeks ago looking for an engine for a 354 because the dealer she bought it from didn't put coolant in it and the block cracked. When she called them, the phone had been shut off. Did she really save any money by shopping for price only?????

This board has a lot of good Jinma dealers on it that will take a lot of their time to help people with their tractors, if they sold that tractor or not. These are the floks that you should give your business to and chances are, you will have few problems down the line.

I can honestly say that of all the Jinma tractors that I have sold, I don't think I have ever had a customer that was not happy because they were educated about what they were buying and were provided with good service. I have had a lot of calls from folks looking for parts and trying to get problems solved, but they weren't the folks that bought a tractor from me!


Ken

 

[radioflyertoo]

Not that I know much about tractors but I saw the Minot at TSC today. The 20 hp version. It had a 12x2 tranny, radio + headphones, chinzy seat, "cab" (really a sun screen), analog gauges, rough looking frame and controls, what I think is a well excuted TPH, AG tires, Analog gauges, 3 cylinder diesel, proudly assembled in Indiana all for $6500.00. Engine cover is orange (if had a camera with me I would have taken a picture)

During brief conversation with the "sales" guy I was told the manual was in real english, and that parts are stocked by TSC. He also told me that TSC wanted their own brand of tractor which is why they are selling these.

IMH (but fairly ignorant)O it was worth $6500 but it is rough looking.

Bob