New tractor sitting in shop

   / New tractor sitting in shop #1  

runnyrunnerton

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Lake City
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John Deere 4044M
Maybe you guys have heard something I don't know about. I have a JD4044M sitting in the shop since for 11 days thus far and am growing concerned. I was having what i thought were fuel problems and now I and apparently the techs are still stumped.

About 20 hrs ago i found after about an hour or two of loader work (Fairly intensive, not as intensive as mowing at full rpm) my engine would begin to suddenly lose power and in some cases die. I could see air bubbles in the water separator and was certain I had air getting in the line.

I replaced the fuel line from the tank to the water separator thinking I had probably nicked it with a stick or something, and replaced the water separator filter. Some minor sediment on the top of the filter, and some minor dark blemishes in the bottom of the separator but nothing alarming (to me). I fired up the tractor headed out to mow. Engine died after about an hour of mowing. The "STOP" light came on. The manual says the engine is shutting itself off and telling me to shut it off before catastrophic engine damage occurs.

I threw my hat at it. Towed it to the house, let it cool down, slapped it on the trailer and took it to the dealer. 157 hours on the tractor. Dealer says, codes were engine coolant temp and high fuel temp. My temp gauge never went past vertical. Dealer says I haven't been blowing out the fuel cooler properly. Normally I would call BS as I religiously blow off the tractor every time I use it, but benefit of the doubt and I was happy to hear nothing serious had occurred.

Got tractor home next day. Took it out to mow, ran it for 1.5 hrs with my freshly blown out radiator and fuel regulator. "STOP" light comes on, engine dies. Tow-cool down-dealer.

It is sitting in the dealership for 4 5 business days with no update available from service manager. He said they are on the phone with john deere making sure the software is updated and trying to track down the problem. The issue shows up after the tractor has run under load for about an hour.

Forgot to mention the key-switch died at 10 hrs, rendering tractor immobile. Had to pitch a fit to get them to come out and fix my brand new tractor that wouldn't start.

I am patient, but I am growing concerned I may have a lemon or worse, just shy of a lemon. Anyone have any advice? I am going stir crazy with no real updates as to why my brand new tractor doesn't want to run.
 
   / New tractor sitting in shop #2  
First I have heard of a tractor with a fuel cooler so that's new to me.

All these modern electronics in combination with epa, Regen, etc....

It wouldn't surprise me if there is nothing at all mechanically wrong. And it's electronic/computer related.

Sorry I cannot help. But good luck.
 
   / New tractor sitting in shop #3  
First I have heard of a tractor with a fuel cooler so that's new to me.

All these modern electronics in combination with epa, Regen, etc....

It wouldn't surprise me if there is nothing at all mechanically wrong. And it's electronic/computer related.

Sorry I cannot help. But good luck.

Don't worry. In twenty years or so, they'll have the electronics sorted as well as they do in cars.
 
   / New tractor sitting in shop #4  
Not trying to be a smart arss but could it be fuel cap vent?
It has happened many times before where the vent stops up and engine will pull a vacuum and quit.
Easy to check, it stalls, open the cap and listen for a hiss. Try starting.
 
   / New tractor sitting in shop #5  
Might be time to talk directly with JD head shed about furnishing a loaner while they educate dealer on how to maintain tractors they built.
 
   / New tractor sitting in shop #6  
I had something very similar with my Kubota. Tech was out three times to fix - ran for an hour to hour and a half then quit. Finally their good 'ol country boy head tech came out - took one look - says - "sheet" that an easy fix. He did his thing and its been good as gold ever since.

Corporate came thru also - refunded about 85% of all fees and costs.
 
   / New tractor sitting in shop #7  
I had something very similar with my Kubota. Tech was out three times to fix - ran for an hour to hour and a half then quit. Finally their good 'ol country boy head tech came out - took one look - says - "sheet" that an easy fix. He did his thing and its been good as gold ever since.

Corporate came thru also - refunded about 85% of all fees and costs.

So what was the easy fix?
 
   / New tractor sitting in shop
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Yeah. What was the easy fix? I'm not feeling terribly confident in this machine when the techs are staring at it for 3 days and are still all shoulders.

I will try the gas cap thing, but clogged after 157 hrs and being cleaned after every use seems like a long shot. I am no slouch mechanically, I thought that might be an issue so I shot the cap with the air compressor a time or two and the part inside seemed to be moving freely. before and after.

For those wondering I use a 2.5 horse B&S junk pressure washer that builds about 2,000 psi....with the wind.

As for the REGEN I have only had to do a parked regen once. The rest of the time, it happens as I am running, the temp builds and the soot level gets to about 60 or 70 and the cycle starts. I can only tell you things get a little a warm, other than that it is terribly difficult to notice any major event.

Fuel Cooler Pic. I was told one need to remove the cowling to blow this thing out. "I know, lets hide the air cooled radiator device behind the battery in the bottom of a sealed compartment" -JD Engineer
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   / New tractor sitting in shop #9  
The quick check we used for the fuel cap vent is to simply leave it fairly loose (with half a tank or less, please!) and just drive the tractor as usual. (On my White gasoline garden tractor, when the cap clogged, it would run OK at low speeds on hot days-when fuel vapor pressurized the tank, I suppose-and starve when you gave it the gas. Six dollars for a new cap, and all was well.)
 
   / New tractor sitting in shop #10  
OK - the easy fix. I'll try to make this short. My tractor engine has a fuel return line from the fuel pump back to the fuel tank. A common feature on most all diesel engines??? The line is all steel except for a one foot section of rubber hose with a back flow valve. The rubber hose kept coming apart at the back flow valve. Kubota used those worthless wire hose clamps. They were just pushing everything back together, using same wire hose clamps and praying a lot. Three time they did this.

"The Kid" came out, looked at the situation for about 30 seconds, uttered some very profound verbiage and fixed it. He put on all new hose(that clear nylon fibre reinforced stuff) - a new back flow valve - and those "crush type" hose clamps. You crush a "bump" on the hose clamp and it squeezes it shut a predetermined amount. Good stuff

Why didn't I just fix it myself. Anybody with a Kubota M5040, M6040 or M7040 - FIRST - try to find the rubber portion of the fuel return line with the back flow valve on you tractor. If you are lucky and able to find it - let me know how in the H#LL you are going to get your dainty little hands in there to replace anything. I hope the Kubota engineer that designed that monstrosity, ruptured himself from laughing so hard.
 

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