Newbie Needs Help Selecting Tractor
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frank_f15
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I do find it interesting that the seller has two years of history on eBay with positive feedback.. )</font>
the lister probably pilfered the name of a good ebay user.
the lister probably pilfered the name of a good ebay user.
DavesTractor
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( the lister probably pilfered the name of a good ebay user.)</font>
Exactly. Not a week goes by that I don't get some real official looking email that genuinely looks to be from eBay asking me to update my information. There is a link that takes me to a very real looking eBay page and has me enter my user ID and password and such. I've never entered the info of course, but that is how they get the userID and password. Then they do the scam, part of the con being that you feel you are actually buying from the listed eBay seller, but you are not. Fortunately, they do stupid things like sell nice items for 10% of value, throw in free freight on a heavy item, often free air freight on a tractor, require you to be pre-approved, require a Money Order, etc.
For many, this is old information, but if it warrants repeating on occasion.
Exactly. Not a week goes by that I don't get some real official looking email that genuinely looks to be from eBay asking me to update my information. There is a link that takes me to a very real looking eBay page and has me enter my user ID and password and such. I've never entered the info of course, but that is how they get the userID and password. Then they do the scam, part of the con being that you feel you are actually buying from the listed eBay seller, but you are not. Fortunately, they do stupid things like sell nice items for 10% of value, throw in free freight on a heavy item, often free air freight on a tractor, require you to be pre-approved, require a Money Order, etc.
For many, this is old information, but if it warrants repeating on occasion.
At the moment I have a lot of wood in my yard, and I could probably furnish enough timber for a fleet of wooden CUTS, but then the arguments would ensue about what is the best wood to use. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif JD and NH would undoubtedly use the lighter flexible wood, Kubota would likely use the cedar for it's strength and unique hue, and Kioti would just use the heaviest wood it could find. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif.
ByronBob
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I'm a plastic injection molding engineer. There are several points made here in their own right that are correct. Plastic is made today of some durable materials. 30% glass filled material can be almost as tough as metal. Other plastics have elasticity to allow them the flexibility to give. Weather fatigue is something after 20-30 years will become an issue due to brittle characteristics. But cost in enough volume is lower than metal so if hoods and fenders are made in enough volume the piece price wins.
Once plastic is broken it's useless. Plastic is formed at high temperatures which lets the compounds bond together. After breaking it doesn't bond back together like metal can. And with plastics the material looses it's composition to be welded. Remember the old saying that a chain is as strong as it's weakest link? Well plastic is only as strong as it's weakest bond also.
Once plastic is broken it's useless. Plastic is formed at high temperatures which lets the compounds bond together. After breaking it doesn't bond back together like metal can. And with plastics the material looses it's composition to be welded. Remember the old saying that a chain is as strong as it's weakest link? Well plastic is only as strong as it's weakest bond also.
That's good info - One of the things I've notced is the panels ability to shrug off impacts. It must be a combination of built in strength and the ability to flex. If the hood was unable to bend, I doubt the plastic would have survived without cracking. Well whoever designed the blend did it quite well - it really is tough and has saved me some costly repairs and the time needed to make them.
Soundguy
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</font><font color="blue" class="small">( You know the funny thing is both SoundGuy and I base our opinion on our own experience... is it possible we're both right??? )</font>
Absolutely. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
All we have to do is please ourselves.. ( or wives / banks..).
I'm one of those metal hood / gear tranny people. Just a ersonal preference as you point out.. nothing more. I've just had great luck with metal. <y oldest tractor had character marks in the tin.. but it was oem from 1946. My NAA had lots of character marks.. and some good rust.. but again.. oem from 54.. I expect that.
I guess it boils down to a maintenance vs. repair. The plastic looks better, and shrugs off great damage inthe short term.. in exchange for possible long term life span. Metal panels damage easilly.. but are repaired easilly.. and trade off good looks ( due to minor damage)for decent long term lifespan.
Like cars.. many people do not buy a tractor thinking whether they are going to own it 50 years from now.. so the sheet metal / plastic issue is of no real concern..
Soundguy
Absolutely. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
All we have to do is please ourselves.. ( or wives / banks..).
I'm one of those metal hood / gear tranny people. Just a ersonal preference as you point out.. nothing more. I've just had great luck with metal. <y oldest tractor had character marks in the tin.. but it was oem from 1946. My NAA had lots of character marks.. and some good rust.. but again.. oem from 54.. I expect that.
I guess it boils down to a maintenance vs. repair. The plastic looks better, and shrugs off great damage inthe short term.. in exchange for possible long term life span. Metal panels damage easilly.. but are repaired easilly.. and trade off good looks ( due to minor damage)for decent long term lifespan.
Like cars.. many people do not buy a tractor thinking whether they are going to own it 50 years from now.. so the sheet metal / plastic issue is of no real concern..
Soundguy
Looked at two new NH TC33s at local dealer.
Both equipped with HST. One has 'supersteer' and industrial tires, other has turf tires but doesn't have 'supersteer'.
Three more questions:
1) What pricing should I be looking at for these two units?
2) Yea or nay on 'supersteer'? I will be using for mowing, which 'supersteer' seems would be a plus, but surfing on the site some members seem to think that 'supersteer' may be a problem point down the road.
3) One of the units has '16' hours on it - dealer says unit was at some shows. Is '16' hours on a new unit acceptable? Should there be pricing adjustment?
Thanks - learning a lot.
Both equipped with HST. One has 'supersteer' and industrial tires, other has turf tires but doesn't have 'supersteer'.
Three more questions:
1) What pricing should I be looking at for these two units?
2) Yea or nay on 'supersteer'? I will be using for mowing, which 'supersteer' seems would be a plus, but surfing on the site some members seem to think that 'supersteer' may be a problem point down the road.
3) One of the units has '16' hours on it - dealer says unit was at some shows. Is '16' hours on a new unit acceptable? Should there be pricing adjustment?
Thanks - learning a lot.
Soundguy
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16 hours is substantial for a 'new' machine.. cause if those boomers measure hours like my other units do.. that's 16 hrs at pto speed.. or more hours at less than pto speed.
I would almost guess this might have been a tractor that was demo'ed at someones place for a day, and then they decided not to buy it.
As far as lifespan goes.. 16 hours on the tractor life isn't even a single heartbeat.
I don't have a super steer.. but I guess if you need turn radious.. that's the way to go.
Turfs are usually a more expensive tire.. etc.. I personally like ag or industrial.. stuff I do needs it.
I hear if you get a loader with the super steer you have to get used to how the loader moves a tad at the extreme edges of stering.. but it is otherwise 'doable'.
Soundguy
I would almost guess this might have been a tractor that was demo'ed at someones place for a day, and then they decided not to buy it.
As far as lifespan goes.. 16 hours on the tractor life isn't even a single heartbeat.
I don't have a super steer.. but I guess if you need turn radious.. that's the way to go.
Turfs are usually a more expensive tire.. etc.. I personally like ag or industrial.. stuff I do needs it.
I hear if you get a loader with the super steer you have to get used to how the loader moves a tad at the extreme edges of stering.. but it is otherwise 'doable'.
Soundguy
meledward23
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16 hours - I would ask for a discount or adjustment. Always ask, what can they say besides no. "Hey, I can buy you NH with 16 hours or for the same price a 0hours from this other NH dealer." - I would expect an adjustment, or I would move on.
Second - Turf tires would be preferable for the health of your turf. Although, industrial tires will give you better use in more varied terrain and conditions. (Most dealers will swap the tires, so I have heard).
Fianlly as far as the price.... Try NH forum on here and I was quoted a price of $14,900 for a TC33da. (14,400 TC29da, and 12,500 for a TC29) just for additional reference. Base Prices nothing but tires and the tractor off the lot from a local dealer.
*EDIT* above prices included delivery to my place.
That's my two cents.... and I have no more.
Second - Turf tires would be preferable for the health of your turf. Although, industrial tires will give you better use in more varied terrain and conditions. (Most dealers will swap the tires, so I have heard).
Fianlly as far as the price.... Try NH forum on here and I was quoted a price of $14,900 for a TC33da. (14,400 TC29da, and 12,500 for a TC29) just for additional reference. Base Prices nothing but tires and the tractor off the lot from a local dealer.
*EDIT* above prices included delivery to my place.
That's my two cents.... and I have no more.
