Tires Newbie Question: To Fill, Or Not to Fill Tires

PineRidge · Mar 21, 2004

I don't disagree that liquid filled tires are a pain to change or repair. The problem is that you just can't get enough weight for serious loader work without filling the tires. On my TN I carry 1600 # of RimGuard plus another 2000# of backhoe. The weight on the 3pt hitch is typically multiplied times 1.5 times weight on the wheel to account for where it is located.


Andy my dealer set my TC-40D up with 950 pounds of cast on the backside, between wheel weights and a 3-point weight bar. My back end has not come off the ground as of yet. Should I be carrying more weight than this to safely work with a 72" bucket? I'm sure there has got to be a large difference between a TC-40D and a TN

byax65 · Mar 21, 2004

I had my TC45DA filled. I think the dealer said it's 'beet juice?'. He said it adds 500# to each tire and I would never need any other counter weights. On the dry part of my property the tractor does not sink or leave any serious indentations, but back in the 'wet' area, (low field/lots of standing water) I'm leaving tracks at least 12" deep. Quit going back there for now till it dries up. Doing more damage than good I figured. With the tractor, tires filled, box blade, and FEL I must be in the 5200 -5400 lb. range.

BY

GreenAcres · Mar 21, 2004

I went over to the link that has Pat's quick hitching system on it, and am figuring on getting that system to help my wife attach implements to the tractor. Self reliance is very important to her.

While there, I noticed that they offer a forklift type option (for the back of the tractor, if I remember correctly). Does anybody know if that forklift type option would handle my 1300 lb shed?

Oh, and thanks everybody for the valuable information. I'm printing all of this out, and will study it along with my wife before we put in our order.

(Oh, and sorry for posting in both forums. Won't do that again.)

DocHeb · Mar 21, 2004

( I went over to the link that has Pat's quick hitching system on it, and am figuring on getting that system to help my wife attach implements to the tractor. Self reliance is very important to her. )

It does take some physical "finesse" to line-up and attach 3-point implements. If you are doing it on a concrete floor it is easier, and if you make dollies for your implements it will make it easier to align the attachments.

Take a look at Landpride's Category I Quick-Hitch. This is just one of several QuickHitch units available. One nice thing about Landpride's unit is that it works with most of the Landpride implements.

AndyMA · Mar 22, 2004

Andy my dealer set my TC-40D up with 950 pounds of cast on the backside, between wheel weights and a 3-point weight bar. My back end has not come off the ground as of yet. Should I be carrying more weight than this to safely work with a 72" bucket? I'm sure there has got to be a large difference between a TC-40D and a TN

How is the weight split up? They usually count the weight on the wheels x 1 and the weight on the 3pt hitch x1.5 because of it's location relative to the pivot point. I also like loaded tires because they don't bounce as much an the times early in my career when I did tip over a couple of tractors, they were unloaded and did bounce just before going over. In one case on a small Kubota just by droping a front wheel into about a 4 inch deep hole. Most of the specs I have seen regarding counterbalancing specify the total amount needed as the rated lift capacity of the loader. This when combined with the 60% rear / 40% front weight distribution the basic tractor loader should have allows you to use the full capabilities of your loader./forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

Andy

AndyMA · Mar 22, 2004

( Personally, I would rather use wheel weights and implements to add for counterweight. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif Not as permanent as loaded tires. A BH works great for counterweight. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif )

I agree that a backhoe adds a lot of rear counterweight way back. The problem is that much of the weight is way too high. It works fine on near level ground, but works to your disadvantage when operating on side hills. It greatly upsets the center of gravity COG with a substantial portion of the weight attempting to tip over the tractor.. I much prefer my weight in the tires or close to the ground.

P.S. Having just said that, I use my backhoe for counterbalance a lot.

Andy

PineRidge · Mar 22, 2004

How is the weight split up?


They put 350 pounds on the 3-point and 600 on the wheels.

AndyMA · Mar 22, 2004

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They put 350 pounds on the 3-point and 600 on the wheels. )

So using the method I learned from the Ford stuff the total effective weight you have is 600 + (1.5*350) = 1125

So I figure you should be able to lift 1125 or so and still have the basic 60/40 split of the tractor weight to remain stable. In reality you can probably lift more than this if the loader is capable. I can't tell you the number of times I've had my 2120 close to rated capacity, creaping along in low range 1st gear, and then raising the bucket slowly just enought to get it over the side boards of my F350 dump. Having my hand on the loader control ready to drop it if I started going over. /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Andy

John_Mc · Mar 23, 2004

( I had my TC45DA filled. I think the dealer said it's 'beet juice?'.)

Rim Guard is basically beet juice (from sugar beets) with some special additives in it. I wish someone around here had it back when I was filling my tires (I've got Calcium Chloride now... it will get replaced with something else the first time I spring a leak.)

John Mc

PineRidge · Mar 23, 2004

So using the method I learned from the Ford stuff the total effective weight you have is 600 + (1.5*350) = 1125

So I figure you should be able to lift 1125 or so and still have the basic 60/40 split of the tractor weight to remain stable. In reality you can probably lift more than this if the loader is capable. I can't tell you the number of times I've had my 2120 close to rated capacity, creaping along in low range 1st gear, and then raising the bucket slowly just enought to get it over the side boards of my F350 dump. Having my hand on the loader control ready to drop it if I started going over. 

Andy thats interesting reading. But it brings up another question. If I filled my tires with beet juice to the maximum which I believe is a 75% fill, can you tell me the weight to expect from a set of filled Class III rear tires. I believe byax65 mentions 500 pounds per tire in an earlier post. Is that 500 max or can more liquid ballast be added?