Next best after FC

   / Next best after FC #1  

tld

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Location
Boston, GA
Tractor
JD 2025r
I have virtually given up on a FC boxblade. the "dealers" I call show little if any interest in even giving me a price.
What would a 2nd choice be? I have a JD 4110 with a 50 in wheel span.

Thanks.
 
   / Next best after FC #2  
You might try <A target="_blank" HREF=http://www.sweettractors.com> Sweet Tractors</A>. They list several First Choice products on their web pages (though not box blades). Several people have reported getting good prices and prompt service from them. Good luck.
 
   / Next best after FC #3  
I'll be looking foward to someone's response!!I am also looking for a box blade. I called First Choice and was given two dealers names one in NW PA and the other in Southern PA. When I went to the dealers neither knew who First Choice was ,said they never had any of their equipment
So I bought a six foot back blade from one and am seriously considering buying a "UNITED" 5 1/2 foot box blade 415 LBS for $ 265 (from the southern PA dealer)
I think Leinbach equipment makes the UNITED box blade. Has anyone tried the United brand??
 
   / Next best after FC #4  
Three brands of box blades that have models way better quality than first choice are Gannon and Landpride. Kubota blades are made by Gannon.

These blades are heavy, for a reason. You need weight for a blade to cut well. If you buy a light weight box you will probably also have to get one or two concrete parking loy stops to put across the back to add weight. Of course it is better to have the weight built into the box because it also makes the box stronger.

Quality check:
A very good box blade has a hand lever or hydraulic cylinder that raises ans lowers the scarifiers. End plates are 3/8" to 5/8" thick.

A good box blade is very heavy and has fixed scarrifiers that don't move up/down with a lever/cylinder. End plates of 3/8" or 1/2" are typical. These can be OK, especially if you have a hydraulic top link (worthwhile) because you can lower the scarifiers so they are almost touching when box is level, but they will be digging when the box is tilted forward. Not very deep, however.

A poor box blade has no weight. End plates are typically 1/4" thick. It skidds along the surface.

I don't know how heavy a first choice is, but it is somewhere in the middle and less than Kubota, Gannon, or land pride. I understand FC has a pretty paint job. In paint I'm interested in what will provide the best corrosion protection.

Quality in a box blade is in how it performes, not how shiney it is. Once you experience quality you won't want to go back.

Hope this helps some.
 
   / Next best after FC #5  
Is it possible that Kubota uses more than one manufacturer for their boxes? The ones I've seen definately had 1/4" end plates, a strap hitch, pull pin scarifiers and was overall a very light weight unit. So light, in fact I don't think Gannon (who by the way builds great stuff) even has a model that light. Or is it possible that some orange dealers are repainting and relabelling equipment with Kubota's name?

Most manufacturers have several levels of boxes. The reasoning is simple. The number of light box blades sold vs the number of really nice units with the features you mention is about 250 to 1. When a manufacturer comes up with a great product, even if it is far superior to everything else on the market, and goes to dealers with that product, the first thing they are told is always the same. "That's a nice product, but the light unit is what my customers buy. What do you have to compete with that?"

Therein lies the problem. Does the manufacturer develop a line of superior products which dealers will not buy because there is not enough perceived market? Or, do they develop a line of value equipment to generate sales and then develop the better mousetrap once they have the dealers' attention?

It's not really the dealers' fault. They have to buy and stock the items that turn their inventory dollars. There are currently over 100 three-point implement manufacturers in the US and several imports. On the one hand, this creates a very competitive martket which is normally good for consumers. On the other hand, it is very difficult for an innovative design to get to market because there is so much "me too" product design that "anything different must be bad" or all these others would do it too.

As to the quality question, if we quantify good quality as 5/8" end plates, hydraulically actuated scarifiers, and a heavy welded hitch, then we have just eliminated most sub-compact owners from ever owning a good box blade by virtue of lift capacity and traction, let alone cost. I think a better way to look at it is to find the product which fits the power unit to which it will be attached, be that lawn mower or 300HP Cat 3 tractor, and which performs the intended use be that smooting gravel drives or building lakes. Don't buy the product for smoothing gravel and try to clear a woods lot with it. You will not be a happy customer.
 
   / Next best after FC #6  
Good points jIMmC.

I have compared only one Kubota blade next to a Gannon. Much of the parts looked the same aand the design was the same. The Kubota ends were thinner. True, end thickness is not the only measure.

In general, however, I say that within the capacity of the tractor, a heavier box will cut better and perform better than a light box. In cutting and moving dirt it should get more work done in a shorter time. Scarifiers raised and lowered with clips or pins are not nearly as fast as operating hydraulic scarifiers or a lever operated scarifier set. Perhaps hundreds of times slower. It is a quality feature you might not appreciate until you use it, and onece you have used it you would never want to go back. Like hydraulic top link.

Looking back, the original post asked whick box is almost as good as FC. I did not answer that question. Mt answer was that Gannon and Landpride and Kubota all make boxes taht are uperior to the FC box blades. Of course they cost three to five times as much. They are a different league, and to compare them would be like comparing a Hummer to a Blazer.

I don't know enough about the quality of the lower and mid capacity/range/size box blades to answer the post.
 
   / Next best after FC #7  
As I have posted on other threads, I have a KK 6' box blade
and have completely satisfied w/ it.
Have had it on L2900, TC 35D, JD 250 SSL.
I have used the scarifiers to rip out smaller roots when putting in
parking areas for customers.
I have also used to level and backfill new homes.
I built a 3 PT to SSL quick-tach to put it on my SSL (7000# machine).
I normally leave rippers down then tilt box up to rip when backing up then pivot box
down to push dirt around and back drags good like this.
For the money can't go wrong. (TSC has 10% off in fall on KK equipment).
5' should work fine for u.
 
   / Next best after FC #8  
JR, your second paragraph pretty much sums it up. How can we get folks in the compact market to move on up?
 
   / Next best after FC #9  
Sell them at the same price... /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
   / Next best after FC #10  
OOps, should have seen that one coming. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
 

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