NH TNA Vs. JD 5020 series

[RedDog]

Kmanvt,

So what prices are you getting on the 3 tractors? TN75A new, TN75A loaner, and Kubota M8200.


RedDog

 

[mnfarmr]

I want thank everyone for there helpful information, and let you know the decision has been made. The John Deere was ruled out early for being a poor value. I also gave a lot thought to the Kioti DK65 I think it offers a lot of value but is missing a couple of features that I required. Like a power shuttle transmission with a wet clutch. It also lacked hyd. flow 10.3 gpm hyd. flow vs. 16.9 gpm hyd. flow on a TNA. That extra flow will make big difference on loader work. I have made an agreement to purchase a TN75A with a loader and power shuttle transmission. Now its time to start thinking about attachments. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[thcri]

Congratulations. Pictures will be a must and hope the time waiting for arrival goes fast for you.

murph

 

[RedDog]

Good luck with your new beast! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif


RedDog

 

[cowboydoc]

<font color="green">I was given $45-47K cash quotes for Deere 5420 </font> I know you already made your decision but I would get a different dealer next time. I didn't even pay that much for a 6415 with power reverser, most of the options, and a 640 self-leveling loader. Two years ago I bought a 5420 and it was only $33,000 and that was with a cab. Without a cab was around $25k. I think the prices you were quoted were even more than list. There is something not right with that quote.

 

[jltrent]

I know your mind is made up and it is a done deal, but I swear the Kubota is so much more tractor. I currently own a M6800 Kubota and other than a very few minor complaints I don't believe you can beat them. I have owned and or operated around at least 20 tractors in the last 30 years on my property and it is second to none so far. I currently own a MF, Ford/NH, 5220 JD and the Bota. The Bota has a cab and is 4 wheel drive and the loader I have has 3900 pounds lift at the pivet pins. The Bota is four cylinder and seems to be built tough. A lot of people say they don't weigh enough, but those japs can make things that weigh half as much and last twice as long just look at the Hondas and Toyotas.

 

[mnfarmr]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( <font color="green">I was given $45-47K cash quotes for Deere 5420 </font> I know you already made your decision but I would get a different dealer next time. I didn't even pay that much for a 6415 with power reverser, most of the options, and a 640 self-leveling loader. Two years ago I bought a 5420 and it was only $33,000 and that was with a cab. Without a cab was around $25k. I think the prices you were quoted were even more than list. There is something not right with that quote. )</font>

cowboydoc

The figures you quoted are not mine. You can not get a new 5420 I was looking at used ones. The MSRP of 5425 with the same options of the TN75A I looked at was $39266. So with a 20% dealer discount it is $31412 Plus the loader is $6000 so the 5425 would be $37412 or about $6000 more than a TNA75A. That was my original question what makes the deere worth more than a New Holland. I don't see anything to justifiy the higher price. If you know of a John Deere dealer with the 35% discount it would take to match the TN75A tractor only price of $25500 please let me know where.

 

[cowboydoc]

The 5425 pricing is higher than the 5420 pricing for starters. Secondly I went and priced a 5425 and you would have had to have gotten every option available to get up to $39,266. The base price of that machine starts at like $31,000 with mfwd. If you want a used 5420 I looked in the paper today and there are 15 within 50 miles of me with a loader from 24k-32k. A TN 75A is a nice tractor and nothing wrong with it but the pricing on the deere is VERY inflated. And maybe the dealers in your area are that inflated.

If you go off of retail from deere's website the list price of a 5425 equipped similiar to a TN75A is $35,171. The loader list price is $5106 not $6k. That's a total fo $41,277. Take your 20% off of list and you are at 33,021. I can get 23-25% off of list so my cost would be a little lower. The 5420's are even lower than this. Still makes the TN lower priced.

BUT if you are comparing a 5425 to a TN 75 you are not comparing apples to apples. The 5425 is a FOUR cylinder 276 cu. in. motor compared to a 3 cylinder 179 cu. inch motor. BIG price diff. and especially torque #'s going from a 3 cylinder to a four cylinder. Also you are getting a 62 pto hp motor compared to a 65 pto hp. Regular hp is 81 compared to 72. In the TN you'd have to jump up to the next size tractor to get that hp. You get a wet clutch compared to the dry clutch in the TN. A wet clutch will outlast and outperform a dry clutch by a long ways. That is a huge difference right there that you are getting. Another real kicker is pump flow. You get 25 gpm with the Deere and only 16.9 gpm on the TN. For loader work and doing rear hydraulic work that is not even comparible. And then there's little things like only being able to add 4 valves on the TN. Deere you can go 6 valves. Optional equipment like electrical for implements and block heater is optional on the TN and standard for the Deere. That's a $380 difference.

Anyway enjoy the TN that is a nice tractor as well that should give you many years of great work. But there is a reason that the Deere is higher and it's not just for green paint.

 

[jltrent]

mnfarmr it sounds to me like cowboydoc knows his stuff. These people like myself and him who have been around farm equipment all our life know a little about these tractors. If I was getting a NH tractor I wouldn't get one under the TL line because they still have the old Ford 304 Cubic inch engine in them. The TN line has the little 179 Cubic Inch Fiat engine. Do some reasearch and see who puts Fiat engines in their tractors. I can tell you one tractor is Long and I had one and don't want another tractor with a Fiat engine. I own a 5210 Jd and have driven a 5420 a lot and I don't care what it says on paper there is a lot of difference. Also the Kubota M8200 is a lot more tractor than the TN75 and I have a M6800 and wouldn't trade straight up right now to a new TN75. If you want a NH get the TL line not the overclocked TN75

 

[AndyMA]

Please, we've been here before. The TN engine is not the same engine that is being referred to. And whatis the line about "overclocking" refering to? To me overclocking refers to revs and the TN achieves its power at very low rpm's. I much prefer the TN to the Kubota's and I did side by side paper as well as real life testing before buying my TN75. Once you get to 50hp the Kubota market share is tiny and there is a reason for this. Reading this thread was very frustrating as it appeared that much of the information being presented as fact was heresay. Enjoy your TN75, it is an excellent tractor. Just ask the many TN owners on this board. This is not to say that the Deere and Kubota's are bad tractors, just saying that the TN more than holds its own.

Andy