No more MMM

/ No more MMM #1  

Curt

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Location
40 mi SE of Buffalo, NY
Tractor
Massey-Ferguson 1215
When I bought my machine in 2000, I really wanted a MMM, because it was my promise that I would take care of the more open lawn that allowed me to get the tractor. The MMM was very strong and I also used it for a 1.5 acre field-when it was dry, even though a rotary cutter would be more suitable.

In 2001 the rains started, and have yet to stop. Since then, the tractor (even with turfs) has been banned from the yard, and the field could hardly be entered by mid-summer. Then I bought a loader, with a weight bar for ballast. This meant (with 3ph disabled) that I couldn't mow with the loader on. Worse yet, I couldn't do much loader work with the mower on because of lack of ground clearance. Even with the deck off the linkages still managed to get buried. It was then I discovered, to my horror, that MMMs have $0 trade-in value. My dealer explained that very few tractors use that mower, and that most people who wanted one bought it with the tractor, as I did. For 2-1/2 years I put up with take loader & weights off for mowing, take mower off for loader work. What a pain! I know that most people here can make that switchover in three minutes tops, but I move slow.

At long last, accounting logic prevailed and I realized that the MMM was a "sunk cost" and that I should bite the bullet and look to the future since it's getting shorter. I made a deal with the reluctant dealer that he would remove the MMM and keep it, redo the loader braces, and sell me a 4-ft rotary cutter. I don't have room to store it, and he will try to sell it, perhaps to another dealer. He will decide if I get anything for it. I trust these people, and I have forgotten about it already. I've cut my field three times already, slogging through the mud and water. With all the rain, the MMM would be hung up most of the time. Our property is turning into a marsh, and I feel better prepared for the future.

FINALLY, I get to the points I wanted to make. First, MMMs are wonderful for mowing, and easier to use than any alternative. But make sure you really need one before you drop in your bucks. Be really careful if you plan to do much loader work. You might have lots of trouble in less than favorable circumstances. Second, life is too short to endure intolerable situations if you don't have to. I feel a new sense of freedom; my heart and back have thanked me already. I've always liked my tractor, but I like it even more now.

Regards, Curt p.s. sorry this is so long
 

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/ No more MMM #2  
Curt,
Sometimes you just need to bite the bullet and move on, it has been a frustrating spring/summer. I tried for months to equip my tractor with a MMM because I had gotten a god deal on one. I gave it up, bought a Woods RM59 and been mowin happy ever since.

Good Luck,
Curt
 
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I find it hard to imgine that with eBay and other ways to sell the MMM that nobody would give you anything for it? Thats sad if thats the case. Boy I hope your dealer finds a way to do something for you.
 
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If he were to take a couple of pictures of it and advertise it for sale on e Bay, I am certain that he would sell it. It will need to be cleaned up and look good to get the top dollar. If you can't sell something on e Bay, then it is safe to assume that there is no market for the item. You might not get what you think it should be worth, but it will usually sell......
 
/ No more MMM #6  
Ken,
Is it standard policy to talk to customers and get a feel for what their doing with the tractor? You make it sound like the MMM isn't a good product. Why don't you suggest a MMM? I don't understand the theory behind that?? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
/ No more MMM #7  
I ask my customer what his needs are and what tools he is going to anticipate using, now and in the future. If he is going to need to use a lot of other tools on the 3 point hitch, The MMM is a big negative. For the reasons listed by the original post and many more. When a customer is doing dedicated mowing and not using a lot of 3 point tools, we do suggest a MMM or a ZTR--Ken Sweet
SWeet Farm Equipment LLC *Used Cultipackers in Stock from $295 to $895*
 
/ No more MMM #8  
I'm with you, Ken. I can't imagine myself ever buying a MMM since they're pretty much brand and model specific. I might want to use a different tractor, and I can still use my 3-point mower, or I might want to change mowers and keep the same tractor, not to mention the fact that the MMM usually costs a bit more, is more trouble to hook up and unhook, more trouble to clean and sharpen blades, and harder to sell if you want to get rid of it.
 
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My experience with a MMM was on a Cub LoBoy. The rockshaft that was utilized to raise/lower the deck was also used to raise/lower the front blade. At the time, my drive was not paved. After hard rains, some of the stones on the hilly portion of the drive would wash, and repair work was needed. This meant I needed to remove the mower, install the blade, do 15 minutes of scraping, remove the blade, then reinstall the mower. This could occupy me for the best part of a Saturday.

When I was looking for a replacement for the Cub, I began looking for something with a 3PH to get around this. I also wanted to be able to use a lift boom and rear scoop. Fortunately I stumbled onto Ford 1210. What a difference. With the 3PH I could swap implements in 5 minutes. About 2-1/2 years ago, I decided to go for a new tractor with a couple more horses. After the Ford experience, the only setup considered was for a RFM. Somehow Wifey got involved in the process, and she thought it would be handy for us to have a FEL. I like the way she thinks /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Anyway, I went with a Kubota B7500HST and a Landpride RFM. I had planned to sell the Ford and Caroni RFM privately, but never got around to it. I mow a couple other places, and it was nice to just leave the Ford at one of them - free inside storage was available, and one of my sons helps me there. When 2 guys each mowing 5' wide get there, the job goes pretty fast.

One of my preferences is a side discharge. It is something I've always been accustomed to, and it is handy for "raking" leaves in the Fall.....................chim
 
/ No more MMM #10  
Every-time I see a post regarding a MMM I cringe at the thought of mounting or dismounting the heavy cumbersome deck if the tractor is going to be used for anything other than mowing grass.

When I started looking at Class III Boomer's and saw how much trouble MMM were to mess with I quickly opted for a RFM. And since I use my tractor for with a BH and a FEL under different situations a MMM was really out of the question anyway. Never the less I can mount the RFM in under 5 minutes without busting a sweat. I don't think that can be accomplished with a MMM.

I agree with Junkman, clean the deck up, take some pictures, list it at eBay. It will sell there sooner or later. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Wow, I guess I must just be lucky because I can swap the FEL and MMM in less than 5 minutes each way. (probably closer to 2 1/2 or 3, and I'd be much faster if I didn't shut the tractor off for safety reasons. I take my mmm on/off for each mowing session even if it's only going to be 3-4 days until my next mowing session. Without the FEL it was a major pain as I had to chock the mmm to driver over it, but with the FEL it's simple.

Have a good one,
Dave
 
/ No more MMM #12  
I've had both a RFM and MMM.

Both have advantages and disadvantages. Both are good and neither is that big a deal to take off and put back on...but I would say the RFM is a little easier.

In my case, the slight extra effort required for the MMM pays for itself in better ability to cut close/around things. But that is in MY case.

If one buys the right mower to begin with, he need not worry about resale. He can sell the mower with the tractor if it comes to that...

A RFM that you can sell easily is not always the best if it does not work well for you. Ask me, I know... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif I don't have a RFM anymore...even though it cut great, it was not appropriate for my needs...the MMM is. So I lost on the RFM deal...granted, I may have lost less than if I had started with a MMM that did not suit my needs...and tried to sell that.

The way not to lose is to buy right the first time... /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
/ No more MMM #13  
I was new to tractors like the Bota and I got the MMM without even knowing any better. I mow 7 acres of grass which is our yard. I use the FEL now while the yard is getting completed for grass. I think by the comments here that I should have got a RFM? Hmm. I guess it's easy to second guess yourself to death huh?

I haven't put the MMM on yet. The yard has rocks, dirt clumps ect... still in it. My old Craftsman has taken the abuse but I'd rather damage that vs the MMM on a new tractor if necessary. The MMM costs more than the whole tractor did so the sacrificial lamb one way or the other was the Craftsman. And it's still going strong 2 belts and blades later.
 
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#14  
I'm surprised and pleased that my post got so many comments. Remember, I liked my MMM. It did a nice job, and was much stronger than I ever would have thought. After I got my loader, it wasn't right for my situation.

I was totally ignorant when I bought my tractor (before I found TBN) and didn't know enough to really think through the purchase, which is my fault. I have used my cutter three times already and am really happy with the results. It's good ballast for the loader,also.

The MMM deck was used throughout the MF 1200 line, but the linkage was only appropriate for the 1205 and 1215, both limited run tractors. That limits the market value compared to any 3PH attachment.

I just wanted to urge new buyers to put more thought into it than I did.

Curt /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
/ No more MMM #15  
Back in 1980 we bought a Ford 1500 and a 5' "belly" mower. We called it a belly mower, but I don't remember what the brand name was, other then it was green. We bought the combo for mowing between the 25,000 Christmas trees we had just planted.
This mower attached via the Cat1 3pt hookup just like a regular mower. It had a short pto shaft that went to a gear box that was about one foot behind the 3pt hookup. From the bottom of the gearbox a big belt ran up underneath the tractor to the mowing deck and where the three blades were.

The point to all of this is... to hook up to the mower, you backed the tractor tires up onto and over the mower deck and hooked up the three point hitch and pto shaft. Used the same 3point lift and pto that a rear mower would. When we were finished mowing, just drop the mower to the ground, unhook the 3pt and pto and drive up and over the mower and go hookup to what ever else we needed.

I don't see anyone mentioning this type of mower, anyone seen something like this lately?

Thanks

Adam
 
/ No more MMM #16  
I'm with dmftoy1 - I can attach or detach my MMM in probably 5 minutes or less (I'm a little slower - only had the tractor for 2 months now) - and it's a rather large unit - 72 inches and almost 500 pounds. I have a 2 ton chain fall in the shed that I use to pick up and hold it vertical when I need to get to the underside of the deck.

I was leaning with going with a RFM but the dealer I bought the tractor from talked me out it (he could have sold me a Woods RFM), saying that the Kubota MMM would be easier for my wife to use, easier to mow around things with, would give a better cut, and that the Kubota OEM MMM's were some of the best built mowers he's ever seen. Of course he is a salesman /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I was concerned that it might windrow, being a side-discharge (have an older 44" Simplicity commercial ZTR that is just horrible about windrowing) - I haven't let the grass get real long since I got the tractor, but even with the chute/deflector down it doesn't windrow if it's not real tall (he said it wouldn't) I cut the upper field with it today and the clippings were 1 1/2" to 2"+ and with the chute/deflector up it just blew the grass out in a nice even plume, spreading it over the 6' pass I had just made. I was really impressed with the quality of the cut. FWIW.
 
/ No more MMM #17  
Yup, that's been my experience too . . .a particularly fine experience is with the discharge chute up, mowing heavy grass on a slight sidehill with the wind blowing back towards the tractor. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Have a good one,
Dave
 

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