No Tractor, No Problem

   / No Tractor, No Problem #11  
Hire it done before you kill yourself. Really. I had a large concrete slab I wanted removed and thought I could do it. It was roughly 25x20 with wire mesh. I worked on it for 2 days and got about 1/6 of it done and was nearly dead and this is when I was about 25.

Long story short I drove around my place and seen a Back Hoe sitting at a farm. Went up and knocked on the door. The farmer said I could talk to his 17 year old son. Long story short he came over with a buddy in a old farm dump truck and tore it out and hauled it off for $150 cash money. My back and future health thanked me and he had the job done in 45 minutes.

Chris
 
   / No Tractor, No Problem
  • Thread Starter
#12  
I've been in the construction industry at varying levels for about 20 years. The last person I saw doing real labor was me!

When I worked for my father, I would wear out a shovel in a full season. Each winter he'd buy me a new Razorback (short or long handle, depending on my mood). In the fall, the point would be worn back about three or four inches and steel worn thin, if not cracked, bent or peeled. Then again, my father didn't own a skidsteer or a mini-excavator. He didn't need them, cause he had me.

Now I sit at desk most days and get fat (engineer). I definately couldn't do that work now. Not without a year or so of conditioning at least.

But I don't see people doing what I did. For the last 10 years or so, I see "laborers" watching the machinery do the work. If a little hand clean up is needed, they simply direct the operator.

So I applaud you getting out and digging by hand. Its actually pretty rewarding work, especially knowing that you are getting in shape, can do the work of a mini ex, and have not expensive payments!

I also have a background in the construction industry, although it was many years ago. We would dig entire foundations for 3000 (or more) square foot homes entirely by hand. Often times, when the concrete trucks couldn't get close enough to the footer, we would use wheelbarrows to unload the concrete trucks. Then we got to enjoy carrying and laying concrete blocks after mixing the morter by hand, one wheelbarrow at a time.

Come to think of it, what I'm doing now is but a small part of a much larger project that includes a 600-800 square foot addition to my home, so it looks like I'll get to dig footers, pour concrete, mix mortar, and lay block once again.

It's funny that you mentioned wearing out a shovel because my first shovel (short handle) was murder on my back, plus it kept cracking and I got tired of welding it, so I bought a new one (long handle) last week. I need to sharpen the edge of the new one though, because it makes digging so much easier, with the added benefit of being able to cut small roots on the fly.

Make no mistake about it, there have been many days when I seriously considered going to town and renting a backhoe, as I know how to run one, but somehow it seemed like cheating since I've came so far by doing it the hard way.

It's extremely hard work, and I must admit that I'm more than a little out of shape, having worked a desk job for too many years. Each spring and summer, I manage to get some decent exercise by doing chores around the house, but nothing even approaching the magnitude of this project.

Being middle aged, I have to keep reminding myself that I can't do the same amount of work that I did in my youth, and just in case I forget, my body always reminds me when I've pushed myself too hard. My aches have pains most nights, but I seem to be able to do a bit more with each passing day. I honestly think I'm rapidly getting back in shape, the hard way.

In any case, I must agree that it's proving to be a very rewarding experience. Seeing what I've accomplished, even though it's not complete, makes me feel a strong sense of accomplishment.

Lastly, I know it's very hard to describe exactly what I'm doing so I'll try to take some pictures tomorrow. Now that I think about it, I may even have some "before" pictures, but I'll have to go through my digital pictures to see if any have been taken which show the area I'm working on.
 
   / No Tractor, No Problem #13  
I have to give you credit, it is a lot easier to tell someone to get a tractor, than to be the one who has to foot the bill. My wife and I have had to do lots of work by hand over the years, and now that I have a smaller tractor, I am able to enjoy using it to help, but there are still times that we have to break out the shovel, and tools. Almost every day. We put a foundation down for our 55 foot barn two years ago by hand, and that included moving about 22 tons of sand, and tamping, and leveling it. I think that you will stay so much healthier doing your projects this way if you can handle the work physically. I spilt a lot of wood by hand before I bought a splitter, and even that one is an electric 10 ton splitter, that does not compare to a gas one. I am finally upgrading to a gas splitter this year after many years of going with out, but I saved for it, and I know that I will appreciate it much more. We heat with wood, and we use to burn about 7 cords a year that I split by hand with bad shoulders thanks to my injuries from the military while I was deployed. Again, you can get very creative, and take small steps. To many people are in way over their heads because they burry themselves in debt. We have used a 4 wheeler for years around the farm before we had a tractor, and even with that, you can do quite a bit of work that would surprise some people. The best advice, is save, and if you want to get a tractor, or a piece of equipment, look on craigslist, or in the paper, and start out with what you can afford. The money you save from not renting equipment can easily add up to the price of an older, but strong tractor like a Ford 8n, or another 2 wheel drive tractor, or possibly 4 wheel drive tractor that you can find all over usually starting at around $1000 and needing a paint job, and some tlc.. I don't have a loader on my tractor, and I have moved around 200 tons of dirt, and sand with a dirts scoop on the back that I paid around $200 for. Anyways, Good luck, an a good shovel, and pick axe will make all the difference in the world. I am glad you started with a new shovel, and you will be that much healthier with how you are doing your projects.

Mitch
 
   / No Tractor, No Problem #15  
Everyones situation is unique to them and as one TBNer said not everyone can go out and buy a tractor or rent one when they have a chore to do. IF you have the health and stamina and TIME most things can be done with hand tools and done much better in most cases and if one needs an example, just look at the Egyptian or Mayan pyramids. As for myself, herniated disc in back, worn out knees and 3 surgeries on my neck pretty much limit my abilities to do manual labor and even limit me on mechanical equipment in that it is almost impossible for me to turn around and look behind me. I therefore have great admiration for a person that is willing and able to put in the time and muscle power to do a job by hand. When that same chore confronts me so that I cant use my equipment, I have to hire someone for something as simple as tilling up a flower bed. Hats off to you TBNers that are able to do some things by hand and also willing to do them even if you have the finances to have mechanical help or human help. There is nothing like the satisfaction of doing a job well yourself.
 
   / No Tractor, No Problem
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#17  
Sorry I haven't posted pictures of my project as promised, but there have been some new developments. Today I bought a Massey 135 tractor and a 6ft box blade which is to be delivered in a couple of hours.

I still intend to post pictures of my project, only now I will have a tractor to take pictures of as well, but more about the tractor later.
 
   / No Tractor, No Problem #18  
the 135 massey is a great choice,is it gas or diesel ? Very handy and reliable
 
   / No Tractor, No Problem #20  
Thats a good first tractor. I had a Ford 861 which is very comparable to the 135 and it served me very well.

Chris
 

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