Non-ethanol gasoline in your area

[Gale Hawkins]

All non-ethanol gasoline I have seen offered for sale cost considerable more than gasoline blended with ethanol. What is the advantage of paying more for something than perform exactly the same as ethanol blended gasoline. I fail to see any advantage. To me that is like paying one dollar more per gallon for milk because it is in a glass jug.

For more power and better MPG is one reason I seek it out:thumbsup:. We have many small engines is another.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Don't know about the accuracy of the site though, MO stations are not supposed to sell less than 10% unless the cost difference is past a certain point! And I see several stations listed for MO. ~~ grnspot

Actually the list has become more correct for our area. It seems TN may have gained some locations.

The 454 in the MH prefers it. :B

 

[Gary Fowler]

There is a station not more than 5 miles from my house that sells non-ethanol gasoline and it is the same price as the ethanol blends. I try to remember to put my gas containers in my truck whenever I am heading that way on other business and fill them.
Stabil does work in ethanol blended gas though. I had one lawnmower that I loaded with stabil and the other I forgot to do. This spring the stabiled one fired right up, the other one wouldnt hit a lick. I drained the gasoline and replace with fresh fuel and it fired right up. Luckily I didnt need a carb job. I think I used the red in that one too, although I have the blue also. Folks here claim that the red wont work in ethanol blends but it sure worked for me.

 

[Hematite]

I agree with Gary, I've had no problem whatsoever using the red Stabil with 10% ethanol blend gas.

 

[Gary Fowler]

I have a comment on ethanol usage that is sure to raise a controversy. I read where the farmers growing the corn for ethanol were subsidized from FEDs for growing the corn, the ethanol producers were subsidized by the FEDs to produce it from corn and then were allowed to export it to Europe where it was selling for double or triple what it was selling for in the USA. Our Fed gov. didnt see that big hole in the business of ethanol when all the money was being passed out to produce it. I dont know if that hole has been sewn shut or still open. Exactly how much of it went to foreign countries at USA taxpayer expense we will likley never know due to embarrassment of our Congress. One thing we do know is that using it without subsidies will raise the price of gasoline, not lower it. Opening up the land for drilling will lower the price of oil and the caribou can live with the drilling just like they live with the trans-alaska pipeline.

 

[Hematite]

It wouldn't surprise me to hear that the export of subsidized ethanol is true. Another incompetent Government program? Probably. If so, I hope that the exportation is stopped immediately.

I know that the amount of corn exportation to China is staggering, which has raised the cost of corn in the USA.

With all the oil discovered in recent years in the USA, I agree with Gary, we need to drill here and drill now!

 

[Dargo]

They do not perform the same. Energy content is different. Efficiency is different, in terms of fuel economy and also overall cost of use. With the current pricing structure in my local, an E10 blend cost 2.5% less/gal but gives ~10% less mpg.

Yes indeed. On 4 different trips to Indy I proved to an employee just how much difference gasoline without the garbage performs. With straight gasoline I average 34 mpg. With the gas/ethanol garbage, I average 25 mpg. This can be repeated over and over; it doesn't change. That, and the FACT that the gas/ethanol will absolutely destroy your small engines ought to be enough to get your attention.

This ethanol crap is wrong on so many fronts that it's crazy. First, do a little research. It takes about 1.3 gallons of fossil fuel to make 1 gallon of ethanol that contains far less BTU's per gallon than gasoline. Second, it drives up the cost of food for everyone; the poor included. Plain and simple, it's an extremely bad idea. If we had an abundance of sugar cane such as Brazil, it may work out okay, but using corn we are wasting money, fuel and driving up the cost of food. I suppose Al Gore invented the internet, enlightened us on global warming and stuck us with this boondoggle of worthless ethanol in our gasoline.

As in interesting side note, many unethical service station owners know that with higher concentrations of ethanol in their fuel they can get by with more water in their fuel. One local dealership tested gas stations that advertised 10% ethanol. All had over 10%. It ranged from 14% to 23%. Interestingly enough, the 23% station also had nearly 6% water in their fuel as well. No wonder people who filled up there complained about terrible fuel mileage and their cars not running smoothly!! Hopefully ethanol in our gas will go the way of the Betamax.

 

[grnspot110]

This is why I doubt the accuracy, a quote I found on EHow, took effect Jan.1, 2008:

"Missouri was the second state to pass a mandate on the sale of E10 at its gas stations and the third state to mandate the blended fuel. Only Minnesota's E10 mandate and a similar 8.5-percent mandate in Hawaii came before the 2008 Missouri Legislature's decision, according to the High Plains Journal website.

In Missouri, as well as Minnesota, it is not required to label gas pumps where E10 is dispensed. However, many gas stations still label the pumps regardless of state requirements."

People don't see the label so they assume the gas is ethanol free, when it's not! ~~ grnspot

 

[RonMar]

If we had an abundance of sugar cane such as Brazil, it may work out okay, but using corn we are wasting money, fuel and driving up the cost of food.

The real important point of brazil's ethanol success story is that they also have an abundance of hydroelectric energy to process the cane into ethanol. They are using ethanol as an energy conversion/storage medium, as it makes sense in their circumstances...

 

[Dargo]

The real important point of brazil's ethanol success story is that they also have an abundance of hydroelectric energy to process the cane into ethanol. They are using ethanol as an energy conversion/storage medium, as it makes sense in their circumstances...

Good point. They are not burning more fossil fuel to produce the lower BTU ethanol like our brilliant government is. What's worse, most of the fossil fuel used to produce the low BTU ethanol is diesel, which has more BTU's per gallon than straight gasoline. That makes the trade off even worse!