Oil & Fuel off-road diesel?

[powerstroke6ltr]

Hello again. I was wondering if it was okay to use off-road diesel in an X595 or 2210. Thanks /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[flatheadlake]

off-road is all I use in my 4310

 

[Dargo]

I've been told on TBN that the off road diesel has higher sulphur, and I've been told by my delivery guy that it doesn't. Either way, my JD dealer and Kubota dealer buy from the same supplier and they have promised me that my off road #2 diesel is perfectly okay for me to run. I won't touch the sulphur content debate, as I am not qualified, but I feel comfortable using it since both dealers use it exclusively and have told me that it definitely is okay for my tractors.

 

[Mark4510]

When I was able to conveniently get offroad I used it. No problems for me so far but I tend to get the on road because its easier and I dont use so much.

Its also a good safety net in case someone in the family forgets to keep the horse hauler filled. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[bczoom]

I've been using off-road in all my (off-road) diesels for years. Never had a problem with any.

 

[KennedyDiesel]

The answer to what is different between on and off road diesel can vary, but here are a few typical differences:

Absoulute:
Off road does not have the highway taxes applied.
Off road has a red dye in it

Variable:
Off road Sulfur content can be higher

Many fuel distributors do not carry 2 grades of fuel. Their off road is often the same as on road only with the dye in it.



From the Deere 3000-20 manual:

Using Proper Fuel (Diesel)
Use the proper diesel fuel to help prevent decreased engine performance and increased exhaust emissions. Failure to follow the fuel requirements listed below can void your engine warranty.

Contact your local fuel distributor for properties of the diesel fuel in your area.

In general, diesel fuels are blended to satisfy the low temperature requirements of the geographical area in which they are marketed.

Diesel fuels specified to EN 590 or ASTM D975 are recommended.

Required fuel properties

In all cases, the fuel shall meet the following properties:

Cetane number of 45 minimum. Cetane number greater than 50 is preferred, especially when temperatures are below -20°C (-4°F) or elevations above 1500 m (5000 ft).

Cold Filter Plugging Point (CFPP) below the expected low temperature OR Cloud Point at least 5°C (9°F) below the expected low temperature.

Fuel lubricity should pass a minimum load level of 3100 grams as measured by ASTM D6078 or maximum scar diameter of 0.45 mm as measured by ASTM D6079 or ISO 12156-1.

If a fuel of low or unknown lubricity is used, addition of John Deere PREMIUM DIESEL FUEL CONDITIONER at the specified concentration is recommended.

Sulfur content

· Diesel fuel quality and fuel sulfur content must comply with all existing emissions regulations for the area in which the engine operates.

· Sulfur content less that 0.05% (500 ppm) is recommended for best performance.

· Diesel fuel sulfur content greater than 0.5% (5000 ppm) should not be used.


Personally, with the low volume of fuel that these little guys burn, the savings for untaxed vs taxed fuel is very minimal.

 

[jeffinsgf]

I just had MFA (Missouri Farmers Association) fill my brand spanking new bulk tank. With both a Bobcat and a Deere, I wanted the bulk tank not so much for savings as for convenience. MFA sells the sames fuel, just dyed if it is for off road use. I figure if all the real tractors in the area are burning it, it should be just fine for my 4410. Don't mind saving a quarter a gallon, either. Sure, it will take a lot of gallons to make up the 650 dollars for the 300 gallon tank, stand, hose and filter. But, lugging 5 gallon jugs of smelly, messy diesel fuel gets old quick and I have a lot of hours to put in on both machines between now and November.

 

[cup149]

I sent an email to Kubota concerning the use of the ultra low sulfer on road fuel mandated for use by 2006 (or is it 2007?). They replied that it was not recommended for my 2000 BX2200. I assume that this means that off road is recommended.

 

[BarryinMN]

From what I understand the EPA mandated low sulphur stuff is coming for on-road & refineries at least here in MN will not be switching back to high sulphur. In addition, MN is mandated 2% biodiesel which improves the low sulphur lubricity & pour point (soy based) so no additives are needed. Unlike leaded/unleaded gas. However, biodiesel cleans out fuel storage, lines, hoses & injection systems far better. So be prepared to change out filters more frequently early on until the cleanup is stabilized. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[creeper]

It depends on your fuel dealer. I use off road only and have always thought that is what it was made for.My JD dealer told me it was fine and does not affect warranty.For me its not really a tax thing.Off road is easier to get delivered in my area.

 

[powerstroke6ltr]

creeper. i know what you mean. The closest 'road' diesel place fo business is about 10 miles or so, whereas the closest 'off road' diesel place is about a few miles. Although, I have no problem going the extra mile for the tractor's well being.
Thanks for the help! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[MadReferee]

As has been previously mentioned both in this thread and in the Fuel, Oil & Lubricants forum, what you get for off-road diesel will vary from supplier to supplier even within you own region. It always pays to ask if you are in doubt.

For example, I can get 3 completely different types of fuel that is sold as off-road diesel near where I live. They are premium high cetane dyed, dyed on-road blend, and home heating oil. The only thing in common is the dye placed in the fuel at the regional distribution terminal or by the refinery.

 

[powerstroke6ltr]

Sounds like I should go around and ask about the different fuels the stations stock...thanks

 

[johndeere2210]

Around these parts the only difference between road use and off road use is $250 a gallon fine if you are caught using off road fuel in your pickup! /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

 

[creeper]

Wow! thats pretty steep, they ain't jokin around huh? Thats as bad as $100 per fish on stripers out of season /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[megotatractor]

<font color="red"> </font> I CAN'T FIND OFF ROAD DIESEL!!!!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif

 

[jeffinsgf]

Check with the local farm store. They'll know who sells it locally. It won't be at your neighborhood fuel stop/quick mart. It will be at some backwater station near where the dirt contractors headquarter or at a Fleet & Farm type store that has fuel pumps, too. If you have a local farmers' co-op, they likely sell it or can point you in the right direction.