powerstroke6ltr
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Hello again. I was wondering if it was okay to use off-road diesel in an X595 or 2210. Thanks /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Oil & Fuel off-road diesel?
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flatheadlake
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off-road is all I use in my 4310
Dargo
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I've been told on TBN that the off road diesel has higher sulphur, and I've been told by my delivery guy that it doesn't. Either way, my JD dealer and Kubota dealer buy from the same supplier and they have promised me that my off road #2 diesel is perfectly okay for me to run. I won't touch the sulphur content debate, as I am not qualified, but I feel comfortable using it since both dealers use it exclusively and have told me that it definitely is okay for my tractors.
Mark4510
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When I was able to conveniently get offroad I used it. No problems for me so far but I tend to get the on road because its easier and I dont use so much.
Its also a good safety net in case someone in the family forgets to keep the horse hauler filled. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Its also a good safety net in case someone in the family forgets to keep the horse hauler filled. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
KennedyDiesel
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The answer to what is different between on and off road diesel can vary, but here are a few typical differences:
Absoulute:
Off road does not have the highway taxes applied.
Off road has a red dye in it
Variable:
Off road Sulfur content can be higher
Many fuel distributors do not carry 2 grades of fuel. Their off road is often the same as on road only with the dye in it.
From the Deere 3000-20 manual:
Using Proper Fuel (Diesel)
Use the proper diesel fuel to help prevent decreased engine performance and increased exhaust emissions. Failure to follow the fuel requirements listed below can void your engine warranty.
Contact your local fuel distributor for properties of the diesel fuel in your area.
In general, diesel fuels are blended to satisfy the low temperature requirements of the geographical area in which they are marketed.
Diesel fuels specified to EN 590 or ASTM D975 are recommended.
Required fuel properties
In all cases, the fuel shall meet the following properties:
Cetane number of 45 minimum. Cetane number greater than 50 is preferred, especially when temperatures are below -20°C (-4°F) or elevations above 1500 m (5000 ft).
Cold Filter Plugging Point (CFPP) below the expected low temperature OR Cloud Point at least 5°C (9°F) below the expected low temperature.
Fuel lubricity should pass a minimum load level of 3100 grams as measured by ASTM D6078 or maximum scar diameter of 0.45 mm as measured by ASTM D6079 or ISO 12156-1.
If a fuel of low or unknown lubricity is used, addition of John Deere PREMIUM DIESEL FUEL CONDITIONER at the specified concentration is recommended.
Sulfur content
· Diesel fuel quality and fuel sulfur content must comply with all existing emissions regulations for the area in which the engine operates.
· Sulfur content less that 0.05% (500 ppm) is recommended for best performance.
· Diesel fuel sulfur content greater than 0.5% (5000 ppm) should not be used.
Personally, with the low volume of fuel that these little guys burn, the savings for untaxed vs taxed fuel is very minimal.
Absoulute:
Off road does not have the highway taxes applied.
Off road has a red dye in it
Variable:
Off road Sulfur content can be higher
Many fuel distributors do not carry 2 grades of fuel. Their off road is often the same as on road only with the dye in it.
From the Deere 3000-20 manual:
Using Proper Fuel (Diesel)
Use the proper diesel fuel to help prevent decreased engine performance and increased exhaust emissions. Failure to follow the fuel requirements listed below can void your engine warranty.
Contact your local fuel distributor for properties of the diesel fuel in your area.
In general, diesel fuels are blended to satisfy the low temperature requirements of the geographical area in which they are marketed.
Diesel fuels specified to EN 590 or ASTM D975 are recommended.
Required fuel properties
In all cases, the fuel shall meet the following properties:
Cetane number of 45 minimum. Cetane number greater than 50 is preferred, especially when temperatures are below -20°C (-4°F) or elevations above 1500 m (5000 ft).
Cold Filter Plugging Point (CFPP) below the expected low temperature OR Cloud Point at least 5°C (9°F) below the expected low temperature.
Fuel lubricity should pass a minimum load level of 3100 grams as measured by ASTM D6078 or maximum scar diameter of 0.45 mm as measured by ASTM D6079 or ISO 12156-1.
If a fuel of low or unknown lubricity is used, addition of John Deere PREMIUM DIESEL FUEL CONDITIONER at the specified concentration is recommended.
Sulfur content
· Diesel fuel quality and fuel sulfur content must comply with all existing emissions regulations for the area in which the engine operates.
· Sulfur content less that 0.05% (500 ppm) is recommended for best performance.
· Diesel fuel sulfur content greater than 0.5% (5000 ppm) should not be used.
Personally, with the low volume of fuel that these little guys burn, the savings for untaxed vs taxed fuel is very minimal.
jeffinsgf
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I just had MFA (Missouri Farmers Association) fill my brand spanking new bulk tank. With both a Bobcat and a Deere, I wanted the bulk tank not so much for savings as for convenience. MFA sells the sames fuel, just dyed if it is for off road use. I figure if all the real tractors in the area are burning it, it should be just fine for my 4410. Don't mind saving a quarter a gallon, either. Sure, it will take a lot of gallons to make up the 650 dollars for the 300 gallon tank, stand, hose and filter. But, lugging 5 gallon jugs of smelly, messy diesel fuel gets old quick and I have a lot of hours to put in on both machines between now and November.
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I sent an email to Kubota concerning the use of the ultra low sulfer on road fuel mandated for use by 2006 (or is it 2007?). They replied that it was not recommended for my 2000 BX2200. I assume that this means that off road is recommended.
BarryinMN
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From what I understand the EPA mandated low sulphur stuff is coming for on-road & refineries at least here in MN will not be switching back to high sulphur. In addition, MN is mandated 2% biodiesel which improves the low sulphur lubricity & pour point (soy based) so no additives are needed. Unlike leaded/unleaded gas. However, biodiesel cleans out fuel storage, lines, hoses & injection systems far better. So be prepared to change out filters more frequently early on until the cleanup is stabilized. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
creeper
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It depends on your fuel dealer. I use off road only and have always thought that is what it was made for.My JD dealer told me it was fine and does not affect warranty.For me its not really a tax thing.Off road is easier to get delivered in my area.
