Oil Failure

   / Oil Failure #11  
I have seen recent cam failure due to inadequate oil performance.
Flat tappet valve train geometry can call for more high pressure lube additives than are currently allowed in motor oils including synthetic...
That said most valve configurations today use roller tappets or a very mild angular grind...
 
   / Oil Failure
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#12  
KennyV,
I did see some problems with those type of cams on rebuilt engines with the newer oils, I forgot about that and that is a good reminder for anyone rebuilding an engine with the flat tappets.
SWo3,
Very true one can not tell about oil simply by looking at it as far as what kind of life is left in it.
Volfandt and Bird,
Those are the kinds of failures I have seen. Believe it or not I have seen a couple that were almost as bad as those and they were actually still running but I bet not for long.
LB59,
I saw those posts and they were very interesting but the ones I remember were about Hydro oils. The principle still applies though.
Hey I have enjoyed reading these posts and stories. I do remember that Quaker State went through some kind of problem back then too because I was advised to stay away from it at that time but did not remember the reason if I ever knew.
Take care-TPS
 
   / Oil Failure #13  
I've seen one, and it was pure owner neglect. It was a Jeep Wrangler, co-worker owned it about 3 years, never changed the oil, or checked it. When I helped him push it in the parking lot one day, it was 5 quarts low and he said the oil pressure gauge had been fluttering around 0. He had put maybe 30,000 miles on it, and it had about 60,000 miles total. I guess you could call it an oil failure, or lack there of.

Like others, I have seen engines that were badly sludged, always was 1970's vintage stuff. I think it was a problem in the mid 70's to early 80's with engine and/or oil design. Every thing I've seen that was newer that was take apart looked brand new inside.
 
   / Oil Failure #14  
I have seen a little newer than that get really gunked up. I had (still have but only use for storage) a 1988 Chevrolet G30 cube van with a 350. Way back when I first got it I figured I would give the old girl a little more pep and do a cam swap in it. When I took the valve covers off I was looking at gunk near 2 inch's thick. Some of the rockers and push rods were almost completely covered. All thanks to the EGR system that is routed through the cylinder head that causes hot spots. Low quality oil had apparently been used during it's life and the result was a engine that surprisingly didn't fail due to oil starvation of the top end. I decided to take the heads off and cook them to remove all the gunk. Years later and about 120K miles more I had the valve covers off again to do a valve cover gasket job and there wasn't a spot of gunk to be seen. Good maintenance and high quality oil kept it spotless. Still runs good to this day though it only makes trips of 100 feet or less, it's only used for storage of about 2 tons of steel.
 
   / Oil Failure #15  
I think you'd call it an owner failure instead of an oil failure, but I actually had a young lady, early 20s working for me about 1982 who bought herself a new Buick. A year or so later, the engine seized up on it and it had to have a new engine and it was NOT covered by warranty. As it turned out, she had driven it a lot during that year, racked up a lot of miles, and had never done anything to it except put gas in it. It was hard for me to imagine anyone getting a drivers license and buying a car and not knowing that you had to check the oil and/or change it occasionally, but that's what happened. The hood had never been raised, the oil had never been checked after it left the dealer.
 
   / Oil Failure #16  
A little off the topic but i wonder how many people think the oil light on the dash is to tell them the oil level needs replenishing ? We had some friends stay with us , they were about to leave and i said have you checked your oil level ? They had not so i did it for them , nothing on the stick . I said it's empty , they said the light hadn't come on yet so they weren't worried , they would put some in when they got back home (500 miles) . I told them the light heralded low oil pressure , not low oil level and once it came on , you had a micro second to shut the engine off . Ive since spoken to others who believe the same .
 
   / Oil Failure #17  
Yep, I think there's quite a few people who mistakenly think that light is a low oil level indicator.
 
   / Oil Failure #18  
A little off the topic but i wonder how many people think the oil light on the dash is to tell them the oil level needs replenishing ? We had some friends stay with us , they were about to leave and i said have you checked your oil level ? They had not so i did it for them , nothing on the stick . I said it's empty , they said the light hadn't come on yet so they weren't worried , they would put some in when they got back home (500 miles) . I told them the light heralded low oil pressure , not low oil level and once it came on , you had a micro second to shut the engine off . Ive since spoken to others who believe the same .

I always shake my head in wonder at that stuff even though I've seen it hundreds of times. At work I get them a lot. I can't stress enough the importance of reading the owner's manual.

I just recently put an engine in a 2005 Chevy trailblazer That had lots of hardened carbon(no longer sludge) clogg up the oil pick up screen and lock up the engine due to oil starvation. I've also seen oil fail 'cause thermostats stuck open and caused the oil to become very thick and milky 'cause the engine never got hot enough to burn off the moisture that builds up in the crankcase. I've seen timing chains in cars wear out the tensionors 'caused by lack of oil getting through the oiling hole, and the hole had to be drilled out for proper oiling. I wasn't smart enough to figure this out though, found it on a TSB(Technical Service Bulliten).

I've seen lot's of Toyotas and Fords with overhead cams sieze up from oil starvation. Once I put an engine in a Ford Probe Cause the cam locked up, broke the timeing gear off the end of the cam, and cause some bent valves and a broken piston.

I am by no means an expert on oil, but like many, I have an opinion on when oil should be changed, and it isn't the same as what the experts say. For me, I use synthetic in everything. I use two different kinds too, Amsoil signature series and BG synthetic. Depends what's on hand when I change the oil. The signature series is supposed to be good for 35,000 miles. Yes that's right, Thirtyfive thousand miles. Their oil filter is good for 25,000 miles. I've never went that far but I have gone 15,000 on it and 10,000 miles on the BG oil which is good for 15,000 miles. I check my oil everytime I fill up the gas tank and never have to add oil to my truck. My Prius uses about a quart every 3 thousand miles so it is my opinion that, since I have to add oil, the oil I add, replenishes the additive package in the oil and I can go even farther on that. Every time I change the oil in my vehicles I look inside the oil pan with a flash light and have yet to see even a slight change of color up in there. Still looks like the day it was put together. Nice and clean aluminum and steel in there, and that's with 160k on the Prius and 60K on the Silverado.

Oh yeah, when's the last time you flushed your trans, brake and powersteering fluid, and serviced your diffs and transfer cases? I see failures in those components more than engines due to lack of fluid changes.
 
   / Oil Failure #19  
Yep, I think there's quite a few people who mistakenly think that light is a low oil level indicator.

They don't call em' "idiot lights" for no reason! :)

soundguy
 
   / Oil Failure #20  
A sister in law had a Mercedes suv.It had the change oil soon indicator, according to her.
It also had a low pressure 'idiot' light. She mistook them all the time.
When she traded it I asked about it and was told it was using oil at a high rate.
I asked the guy who worked with her about it, and he said it has its third oil filter on it!!
100,000 miles with only 3-4 changes. And she would only put the cheapest price oils in it.
I think she got $2,000 for it.
 

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