Oil & Fuel Oil Filter Cross Reference

[buickanddeere]

LD1. I doubt every dealer is guilty of such.

 

[The Fred]

LD1. I doubt every dealer is guilty of such.

I would agree with your statement. Why would anyone take an OEM filter and paint it black then add their own dealer logo?
Yup sounds pretty sketchy doesn't it?

Fred

 

[tomf]

If you change your oil as recommended it doesn't matter which brand you use. All oil filters recommended for a specific engine meet that engine manufacturer's minimum specifications. The job of a full flow oil filter is to provide some cleansing of the oil to increase the oil change interval.

In about the only study I've seen of full flow oil filters for extending oil interval changes, by California Integrated Waste Management Board, the quality of the oil filter did not matter. The oil, according to their set parameters (TBN becoming too low), in every case, became unusable prior to filter losing its filtering capability.

The main complaint against Fram seems to be the material they use for the end caps. As you may be aware, the material used for end caps varies with the manufacturer. Some, like Fram, use fiber based, others use metal, others use polyurethane and others use fiberglass. For me the material does not matter as long as it functions as advertised. I've seen no evidence that fiber based end caps don't work as advertised.

I don't care what filter you use. Spend as much or little as you want. But it helps to be informed.

 

[LD1]

LD1. I doubt every dealer is guilty of such.

What exactly did I accuse dealers of doing??

 

[LD1]

I would agree with your statement. Why would anyone take an OEM filter and paint it black then add their own dealer logo?
Yup sounds pretty sketchy doesn't it?

Fred

Are you being sarcastic?? YOU are the one who accused your dealer of this???

 

[David_Kb7uns]

Given the amount of counterfeit filters, antifreeze, lubricants and fasteners out there. The average consumer seems unaware that low grade items can be packaged with a high end label and box.
Even the military, nuclear , marine and aviation industries have been hit with fake low grade high priced parts. Anybody ever consider that the local parts store just unloads product off the truck and doesn't check the source or run quality audits?
For the little bitty difference in price and on occasion is even cheaper. I'll go to the dealer for parts .

Was over a year back that the Kubota parts number stickers started having a hologram mark on the labels. This step was probably done to help identify counterfeit labeled parts

I know some of the Kubota USA sourced filters are coming from China now but most of the high end HST filters are still coming from Japan.

David Kb7uns

 

[The Fred]

What exactly did I accuse dealers of doing??

I think he was responding to my post. No disrespect intended.

Fred

 

[LD1]

I think he was responding to my post. No disrespect intended.

Fred

I think that was his intent. But he named me directly....

 

[The Fred]

Finally got a Fram filter, couldn't find one anywhere in town had to special order one. Tractor supply didn't have it either in fact their Fram book lists only cars and trucks no off road equipment. Wouldn't you think TSC would stock an oil filter for a Kubota? Seems there's one on every corner here.

Fred

 

[crazyal]

I went with a Kubota filter the last time I changed the engine oil. The thing is a beast. I bet it weighs twice what an equal size Fram weights. I don't know if that really matters one bit but I could buy it spur of the moment local. I think I paid about $10 for it. I did look around and cross referenced a Fram that was about a buck cheaper but had to be ordered. I'm all for saving but it has to make sense. I did find one place willing to sell the Fram for under $5 but it was $9.99 to ship it.

 

[LD1]

What was the fram number it ended up taking.

Fram actually has a really good website IMO for comparing filters.

And I have said it before and I will say it again, I think there are WAY too many filters on the market. All I look for in a filter is thread size, o-ring size, drainback valve, and make sure the relief PSI is the same. Then I look to stuff the BIGGEST one in there I can.

I am quite fond of the fram XG filters. While the PH series arent the best, that dont mean other frams are junk.

On my kubota, the fram XG16 (or ph16) was a match on thread size, oring, etc. But given there was only a plastic guard preventing me from going bigger, I left that guard out of the bottom slot and went with the bigger xg-8A filter. Same thing as the 16, only longer.

Did similar for the wifes car. I think her nissan calls for a 6316 or a 6313 or something like that. But they dont normally carry that in the XG line. So start searching their website and find that the 7317 is the same. Maybe a few tenths of an inch difference in body diameter or depth, but threads, o-ring, etc all match, AND was available in the XG.

And then even sometimes when you look up a fram filter, and then cross it over to a napa, then use that napa number crossed back to fram, you may get different filters. Well, really the same (or very similar) filter, but different number.

There are only a handfull of different threads and o-ring sizes. And really only 2 common relief psi settings. no need IMO for 100's of filters all only differing in external size by a tenth of an inch here or there...

 

[bp fick]

I went with a Kubota filter the last time I changed the engine oil. The thing is a beast. I bet it weighs twice what an equal size Fram weights. I don't know if that really matters one bit but I could buy it spur of the moment local. I think I paid about $10 for it. I did look around and cross referenced a Fram that was about a buck cheaper but had to be ordered. I'm all for saving but it has to make sense. I did find one place willing to sell the Fram for under $5 but it was $9.99 to ship it.

Tend to agree. Needed an HST filter last weekend. The only cross available was a Wix/Napa. I'd be fine with that except that the price was $11.70. Since I was at the dealer anyhow, the Kubota price was $12 and with my discount? Ended up around $10.90. No extra stop needed at the Auto Parts Store.

Our local Farm Store happens to stock Hastings/Balwin filters. I use them all the time for engine oil filters. $5.50 There, the savings makes sense to me. As does using Rotella T-6 or Delo full synthetic for around $20 a gallon. I try hard to stay one filter ahead on the equipment, truck, cars, etc. and pick them up while in the store's vicinity. If I have to make a special run go get something, the gas used greatly adds to the cost.

 

[DarkBlack]

Nice thing about aftermarket filters is you can usually see/print and save the specs. Normally on dealer filters you have no idea of the specs or who they happened to contract with to make the one you just bought. The other nice thing ,as already mentioned, it gives you the opportunity to upsize with an aftermarket if you have the room. Works for me

 

[The Fred]

I have 5 filters and am compiling my data that is not scientific or may not be worth a crap.
I compared price, shell thickness, bypass valve tension, filter media length x width x thickness.

Any suggestions what else I could check?

Regards, Fred

 

[LD1]

I think that is really about all you can check. Other than more filters.

But the total sq-IN of filter media doesnt necessarily make one filter better than the other. More important than how much media, is what type, and what size particles can pass through, which I dont know of a good way for a homeowner to test. You can have 3x's more filter material, but if that material will allow particles that are 2x's larger to pass through, is it really a better filter?

But in general, if filter media is the same, more of it, the more it will hold and the longer it can last between oil changes, provided the oil is up to the task.

 

[RickB]

I think that is really about all you can check. Other than more filters.

But the total sq-IN of filter media doesnt necessarily make one filter better than the other. More important than how much media, is what type, and what size particles can pass through, which I dont know of a good way for a homeowner to test. You can have 3x's more filter material, but if that material will allow particles that are 2x's larger to pass through, is it really a better filter?

But in general, if filter media is the same, more of it, the more it will hold and the longer it can last between oil changes, provided the oil is up to the task.

I agree with all that, but I don't see anything in those photos that makes me want to run out & buy Fram or NAPA. I can't think of a circumstance where less media is desirable.

 

[Recoveryhill]

NAPA

Not A Pretty Affair

 

[RickB]

NAPA

Not A Pretty Affair

No Ag Parts Available.

 

[The Fred]

I always thought Wix/NAPA filters were the best. That was a gold not silver filter.
Wow, Fred

 

[LD1]

I have said before, the regular frams arent that good. But the XG is good, and it think the TG is also a good one.