Oil & Fuel Oil Filter Cross Reference

[The Fred]

Kubota oem HH164-32430 oil filter
shell thickness .022"
bypass spring opens @ 2lbs. 5oz.
filter media thickness + dimesions .035" x 2.25" wide x 125" of material
price $10.40


Mann W917 (Volvo application)
shell .022"
bypass 2 lbs. 15oz.
media .022" thick x 2,25" wide x 145" long
price $4.75


Full 1OVV329 (Volvo app)
shell .020"
bypass 2lbs. 2 oz.
media .022" x 2.25" wide x 98" long
price $2.75


Fram PH7328
shell .015"
bypass 7 lbs. 12 oz.
media .031 x 2.25" x 51" long
price $6.00 ish high 5s


Napa 1307 (kubota, volvo app)
shell .015"
bypass 9 lbs.
media .028" x 2.25" x 85" long
price $5.60

Just an FYI Regards, Fred

 

[LD1]

cool results.

One note though, the force to open the bypass spring is really irrelevant without knowing the area of the piece pushing on it. They all could have identical opening pressure ratings. But if the area of the valve(for lack of better terms) on the napa and fram filters is larger, it would need a stiffer spring.

I also wouldnt put much stock into the shell thicknesses. Even as thin as they are, I personally have never had nor seen one blow up.

Interesting though that two of the cheapest filters on the list seem to have the thickest shell and most media.... And from two companies I have never heard of???

But what I think a fair assesment from this test is, none of those are made the same. Would have been interesting is a few were identical

 

[The Fred]

I also wouldnt put much stock into the shell thicknesses. Even as thin as they are, I personally have never had nor seen one blow up.

The reason you won't see one blow or get big is because the bypass valve opens so virtually EVERY time you start your engine with cold oil the bypass is opening letting unfiltered oil through. I wouldn't know this but every old Chevy small and big block I have hot-rodded has a blocked bypass valve so that no unfiltered oil goes to the bearings when cold. Once the bypass gets blocked you must run a high performance filter so the shell doesn't burst.
John Lingenfelter on Modifying Small-Block Chevy Engines: High Performance ... - John Lingenfelter - Google Books

FULL brand is a Thailand made filter that mimics/clones OEM filters, I don't use them either. Mann is a German company that started in 1941 and is an OEM supplier to many manufacturers. This filter has kept most Volvo cars prior to 1999 on the road. This number W917 fits most old Volvos since the 60s. I have sold many and used to buy them by the 100 when the number was popular. I have never seen a failure. If you Google the name and find their online catalog they don't list an oil filter for Kubota tractors.

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Also used slave labor during WW2

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The Kubota filter and the Mann filter are both in my opinion excellent choices. The Napa filter left me with doubts enough so when I get to work tomorrow I most likely will stop selling any of their oil filters. Leaves me with another question: Why do their air filters look so nice compared to OEM filters?

Fred

 

[crazyal]

The reason you won't see one blow or get big is because the bypass valve opens so virtually EVERY time you start your engine with cold oil the bypass is opening letting unfiltered oil through. I wouldn't know this but every old Chevy small and big block I have hot-rodded has a blocked bypass valve so that no unfiltered oil goes to the bearings when cold. Once the bypass gets blocked you must run a high performance filter so the shell doesn't burst.
John Lingenfelter on Modifying Small-Block Chevy Engines: High Performance ... - John Lingenfelter - Google Books

FULL brand is a Thailand made filter that mimics/clones OEM filters, I don't use them either. Mann is a German company that started in 1941 and is an OEM supplier to many manufacturers. This filter has kept most Volvo cars prior to 1999 on the road. This number W917 fits most old Volvos since the 60s. I have sold many and used to buy them by the 100 when the number was popular. I have never seen a failure. If you Google the name and find their online catalog they don't list an oil filter for Kubota tractors.

Mann+Hummel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also used slave labor during WW2

Forced & Slave Labor Compensation Fund | Jewish Virtual Library

The Kubota filter and the Mann filter are both in my opinion excellent choices. The Napa filter left me with doubts enough so when I get to work tomorrow I most likely will stop selling any of their oil filters. Leaves me with another question: Why do their air filters look so nice compared to OEM filters?

Fred

The reason why you'll not see one blow is because there's always an over pressure valve. In a normal engine they would be around 60 psi. Engine builders will often swap them out with one that's set for up to 100 psi. The over pressure valve, at least on a SBC is built into the oil pump, before the filter. If you have a cheap oil pump and the over pressure valve isn't working or is too small to let enough oil drain back into the pan. The filter bypass is more to prevent destroying the filter media if it can't pass oil fast enough through it.

 

[mcg122]

Mann+Hummel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Also used slave labor during WW2

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Fred

I happened upon this thread looking for filter info.

Very interesting reading. I especially liked the filter pictures. I've driven Volvos for over thirty years. Nice to see that their OEM filter is so well made.
But I thought it was a bit ironic that The Fred was commenting about German manufacturers while he owns a Japanese tractor!!
If my memory serves me correctly, the Japanese were not particularly caring with population in the countries they occupied or with their POW's during WWII.

And a tractor costs a bit more than a filter...

Regards,

Mark

 

[The Fred]

Nice first post. I actually hate asian cars, I work on import cars for a living and see how they are all built. I don't like this tractor either and have not from the start. Most likely won't buy another.

I do need a compact tractor so what are my choices?

EVERY new car I have bought in 35 years has been made in the USA except for one Mexican made Jetta. I have only ever owned 1 asian car, it was a POS Nissan Stanza that someone gave me. I kept it running because both sliding doors would lock open and 4 guys could sit comfortably making road hunting and shooting out the open doors a blast.

After seeing these filters apart I stopped selling Napa brand or any Wix products.

I am 100% American for what it's worth. By the way that Chevy truck in the picture was assembled in Pontiac, Michigan or what's left of the failing state.

Fred

 

[Blade Breaker]

Nice first post. I actually hate asian cars, I work on import cars for a living and see how they are all built. I don't like this tractor either and have not from the start. Most likely won't buy another.

I do need a compact tractor so what are my choices?

EVERY new car I have bought in 35 years has been made in the USA except for one Mexican made Jetta. I have only ever owned 1 asian car, it was a POS Nissan Stanza that someone gave me. I kept it running because both sliding doors would lock open and 4 guys could sit comfortably making road hunting and shooting out the open doors a blast.

After seeing these filters apart I stopped selling Napa brand or any Wix products.

I am 100% American for what it's worth. By the way that Chevy truck in the picture was assembled in Pontiac, Michigan or what's left of the failing state.

Fred

Just curious what drove you to buy the Kubota if you do not like imports? I also buy American whenever possible.

Concerning filters I have always purchased the filters for the tractors from the dealers that sell them. Got burned one time buying Napa parts and will never do it again to save a couple bucks.

 

[tjkubota93]

There isnt an American compact tractor. Deere is an American company but they dont sell American tractors. I figured buy from the source, instead of buying rebadged.

 

[Blade Breaker]

There isnt an American compact tractor. Deere is an American company but they dont sell American tractors. I figured buy from the source, instead of buying rebadged.

See page 2-3, says Georgia. John Deere

 

[snpower]

Question: Isn't it possible that the whole filter thing is a bit of a moving target?

The filter you like, and cut apart to analyze today, might be made on a different assembly line by a different sub-vendor tomorrow? I don't know! I do know that on airplanes, the manufacturer will change part supply vendors to save $$$. Same part, same factory specs - different outcome: something you need doesn't do it's job or work properly when you need it to. I've seen it many times.

I don't know enough about filter manufacturing. I've used Kubota filters and Hastings so far on my BX. I do like to research oils, and I spend time over at bobistheoilguy. Frequent filter changes are the best safety in the end.

 

[71bronco]

See page 2-3, says Georgia. John Deere

It says designed and assembled in Georgia, not made.

Jeff

 

[Blade Breaker]

It says designed and assembled in Georgia, not made.

Jeff

I completely agree, I never said "made". An American company assembling machinery here in America. Best you can get if you are looking to support American jobs.That was my original question is all, What drove the change from American companies to the Kubota. Just curious.

 

[71bronco]

I completely agree, I never said "made". An American company assembling machinery here in America. Best you can get if you are looking to support American jobs.That was my original question is all, What drove the change from American companies to the Kubota. Just curious.

Kubota also manufactures in Geogia http://www.kubota.com/AboutKubota/PressReleases/KubotaNews-KIEGrandOpening-2013.aspx

Jefferson, Ga., (April 8, 2013) Kubota Corporation today announced the grand opening of its new $73 million manufacturing facility at Kubota Industrial Equipment (KIE) in Jefferson, Ga. The 522,000-square-foot plant on the 88-acre site recently began production of Kubota's 30- to 50-horsepower compact tractor models. The grand opening event was co-sponsored by Kubota Tractor Corporation, the U.S. marketer and distributor of Kubota tractors and equipment.

Jeff

 

[rScotty]

I have 5 filters and am compiling my data that is not scientific or may not be worth a crap.
I compared price, shell thickness, bypass valve tension, filter media length x width x thickness.
Any suggestions what else I could check?
Regards, Fred

Fred, I think that's an excellent and necessary place to start. Since you asked, I'd say that the next step is to get some sort of handle on the ways the different media handle flowing oil, and also take a possible error out of the bypass valve force measurement.

It shouldn't be too hard to rig up a way to time how long it takes gravity to push a quart of oil through a filter. A stand pipe with an on/off valve would do it. So would lots of other variations. I kinda like a standing pipe because it can be be pre-loaded with the same oil which could then drain into a bucket to be reused. Or the top of the pipe itself could be connected to something like a large container of compressed air so that the pressure would be more nearly constant as the oil drained. The time it takes to pass a quart of oil would then give us a starting place to compare the different filter material. It's easy to see how different media - even if they have with the same thickness, width, and length - could be wildly different in how they flow and filter based on nothing more complicated than effective pore size.

On the pounds needed to open a spring by-pass valve..... If we are to successfully relate that to the pressure necessary to open a valve it's necessary to include area of whatever the fluid is pushing on along with the real pressure differential over that area. It can fool you; it sure has fooled me from time to time. Pounds on a spring is a good place to start, but keep in mind that to get a real force number out of fluid pressure you need to also look at the area of what is being pushed.

The online debate (ebate?) about the value of being made-in-USA versus out-of-USA manufacturing makes me wonder how future generations will view the regionalism that has become such an important rallying cry for our own generation. Will our children's children see our values as being the "good old days"? Or will they think of our regionalism in the same way we have come to view racism?... Will they look back on regionalism as a kind of "ism" which failed because it emphasized the differences between people instead of the things those people have in common? Or is regionalism a necessary part of what makes us creative?
just wondering,
rScotty

 

[tjkubota93]

See page 2-3, says Georgia. John Deere

Deere just seems like a middle man for yanmar, like cub cadet is.
I always try to buy American. Deere is American and they make money when you buy a tractor, so does Yanmar, not American.

 

[mkreitler]

Myself I run PURE POWER FILTERS on EVERYTHING INCLUDEING the race car with a 427C.I. small block CHEVY. The engine in it cost a small fortune to build so why not use the best FILTER.All my other cars,'05 JEEP with a hemi,and the tow vehicle '07.5 CHEVY DURAMAX run them also the best thing about their FILTERS is they are all lifetime and all you have to do in clean them in a parts washer and follow that up with a round in the dish washer and your good to go. The way things are being made cheaper and cheaper(INCLUDEING the PAPER FILTERS) in this country to be more cost effective is not worth it to me.I will spend my money on the best FILTER (PURE- POWER) and OIL (SCHAEFFER'S)

 

[Rocky Hoffler]

Wix filters is IMHO is as good as can get web site is wixfilters.com for cross reference and they are made in N. C.

 

[Rocky Hoffler]

I would not use a fram filter anyway you ask for cross reference here it is in wix who also make napa and carquest filters usally the first 2 numbers are different

OIL 51311
air 42985 and 46438
fuel 33507
trans 57616
hyd 57098

 

[LD1]

I would not use a fram filter anyway you ask for cross reference here it is in wix who also make napa and carquest filters usally the first 2 numbers are different

OIL 51311
air 42985 and 46438
fuel 33507
trans 57616
hyd 57098

Nothing at all wrong with the higher end fram filters. DG, TG, XG, etc

 

[JJZ 109]

Any suggestions what else I could check?

Regards, Fred

Your watch. I wouldn't spend the time on that unless it was dead of winter and I had absolutely nothing else going on in my life.
But some folks just have to know. Just kidding Fred. Your comparison is about the only real world one I've seen so far. :salute:

But back to the original topic, here's one of the best cross reference sites that I've found and it can be used for many types of filters - not just oil.
http://www.michelecaroli.com/donaldson_filters.asp
Even used it once to find the correct hydraulic filter for an Altec AT200A aerial lift because the one on it had been painted over.