oil filter

[kenmac]

anyone ever use Fram PH3593A ? A friend on mine gave me a few oil filters he was throwing out . Several had this part # I changed the oil in the tractor and thought I would give it a try. It fit ,so this is what I will use until I run out of them

Also, I never have figured out what this means on my tractor


31____PS
2600 RPM

 

[California]

anyone ever use Fram PH3593A ? A friend on mine gave me a few oil filters he was throwing out . Several had this part # I changed the oil in the tractor and thought I would give it a try. It fit ,so this is what I will use until I run out of them

Also, I never have figured out what this means on my tractor


31____PS
2600 RPM

I suspected that Fram filter is the one listed for nearly all Subarus since forever so I googled on 'Subaru Fram PH3593A'. Yep that's the one. 70's and 80's Yanmars and maybe newer use that same Subaru/Toyota/Nissan/Mazda filter. It's near universal for typical generic small Japanese engines. If I were you I would use them.

I think '31____PS 2600 RPM' translates to '31 horsepower @ 2,600 RPM'. PS is German for literally horse power so I assume it means SAE hp same as American engine ratings. However Japanese Yanmars rate their hp at the PTO output, so the tractor's raw engine hp will be about 5 more.

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Added: I went and looked at Wikipedia. Apparently HP and PS are slightly different and both are obsolete, rating in KW is preferred now.

The mechanical horsepower, also known as imperial horsepower equals approximately 745.7 watts. ...

The metric horsepower equals approximately 735.5 watts (98.6% of an imperial mechanical horsepower). ...

The Pferdesterke PS (German translation of horsepower) ... used in Germany around the end of the 19th century ... about one metric horsepower in size.

One horsepower for rating electric motors is equal to 746 watts.

 

[kenmac]

Thanks. I plan to use them up. I just have never seen this oil filter # posted B-4.
I have assumed it meant 31 hp at 2600 RPM. I just never knew what PS meant. Thanks

 

[clemsonfor]

anyone ever use Fram PH3593A ? A friend on mine gave me a few oil filters he was throwing out . Several had this part # I changed the oil in the tractor and thought I would give it a try. It fit ,so this is what I will use until I run out of them

Also, I never have figured out what this means on my tractor


31____PS
2600 RPM

I think that's the filter that Carey uses? I know he uses a fram and that number seems familiar. He has been using what ever fram he has used for 10 years exclusively.

 

[winston1]

I used that filter on my 2002D all the time I had it.

 

[careyo63]

I've been using them for Yrs.. Clemsonfor correct. Fram has a upgrade. It's called the Tough Guard series. TG3593A so if you have trouble getting the Ph3593A that is what to look for. I wasn't happy going to supposed Upgraded filter but I'm really happy with it so far. Put a lot of time on it today and the motor seems to work and sound the same. My oil light does go out quicker so far on cold start.

 

[Jtullis13]

This is a very nice thread. I was curious how many of the members used a different filter on their tractor other than the ones that Fredrick's & Hoye sell. My question is, can that filter be used on any Yanmar? The thread pattern is the same i just didn't know because of the HP rating and such.

 

[California]

Just uninformed opinion here for what its worth -

I've seen these filters discussed in Subaru groups and I'll summarize what I've taken away from all the talk: There are full-length, Hoye-size, and short versions that will all screw on to this industry-standard mount and will filter ok. Short ones come up to full oil pressure faster, and should be changed at more frequent intervals due to less filtering surface. (Most engine wear occurs in the moment before oil pressure comes up so a small filter that fills quickly is better in this aspect).

Longer filters cool the oil better and contain more oil as well as have more filter surface area, so are better suited to equipment that will be run hard.

Quality of the drainback check valve inside the filter should be irrelevant for the Yanmar operator who always cranks with compression released until the oil light goes out.

And finally the pressure relief spec relates to a plugged filter that bypasses. I hope nobody here lets their oil get that saturated with crud! Most of us don't put a lot of hours on per year so we aren't likely to see plugged filters if we change at reasonable intervals.

So - my opinion is: the quality of the filter is relevant, but any quality filter made for that common family of Subaru/Toyota/Nissan/Mazda applications and is made to modern quality specs, will be fine.

 

[Jtullis13]

California that was an impressive post! When I uploaded my post it was to see about the pressure check valve and such. You answered all my questions and more. The filer size was interesting. I have been running the long filters because I wanted the increased surface area and increased oil capacity. Just curious though, does that Fram 3593 come in a long version? Anyways thanks California.

 

[kenmac]

I don't think this filter # has a longer version. It may in a different #.

It appears there are many filters that fit these tractors. I have a list in my garage but this filter # wasn't on there.

I had no idea hoye sold a longer version. The only filter I found that was longer and larger was a NAPA/Wix filter 1568. (about $8.00 ea)
Since I was given these,(about 4-5) I will use them up.

I don't use the tractor that much as I once did, so I change once a year

 

[clemsonfor]

This is a very nice thread. I was curious how many of the members used a different filter on their tractor other than the ones that Fredrick's & Hoye sell. My question is, can that filter be used on any Yanmar? The thread pattern is the same i just didn't know because of the HP rating and such.

That filter that crosses is an alternate to a different Toyota filter. I think they both screw on. The filter I am about to refer to is not the same number as the yanmar filter but I believe will fit, not sure the specs but anyway... My now gone Saturn took the same filter as my Toyota highlander as my Toyota sequoia as my lawnmowers with kholer and briggs engines. So for car engines you have every thing from a 1.9L 4cyl to a 4.7L v8. The lawnmowers are 15hp range.

 

[clemsonfor]

Just uninformed opinion here for what its worth -

I've seen these filters discussed in Subaru groups and I'll summarize what I've taken away from all the talk: There are full-length, Hoye-size, and short versions that will all screw on to this industry-standard mount and will filter ok. Short ones come up to full oil pressure faster, and should be changed at more frequent intervals due to less filtering surface. (Most engine wear occurs in the moment before oil pressure comes up so a small filter that fills quickly is better in this aspect).

Longer filters cool the oil better and contain more oil as well as have more filter surface area, so are better suited to equipment that will be run hard.

Quality of the drainback check valve inside the filter should be irrelevant for the Yanmar operator who always cranks with compression released until the oil light goes out.

And finally the pressure relief spec relates to a plugged filter that bypasses. I hope nobody here lets their oil get that saturated with crud! Most of us don't put a lot of hours on per year so we aren't likely to see plugged filters if we change at reasonable intervals.

So - my opinion is: the quality of the filter is relevant, but any quality filter made for that common family of Subaru/Toyota/Nissan/Mazda applications and is made to modern quality specs, will be fine.

even with the compression release you still are putting wear on bearing surfaces that are rotating without full oil pressure on them, sure its unloaded rotation since its not compression strokes from the engine and just the starter spinning it but its still rotating.

 

[clemsonfor]

California that was an impressive post! When I uploaded my post it was to see about the pressure check valve and such. You answered all my questions and more. The filer size was interesting. I have been running the long filters because I wanted the increased surface area and increased oil capacity. Just curious though, does that Fram 3593 come in a long version? Anyways thanks California.

I think the fram is a shorter in size filter, but I have not looked at them side by side...I may have when I went and visited Carey (he may have had a Fredericks filter on hand that he compared to the fram...seems like I remember that)but I cant remember at this point let alone the size comparison?

 

[careyo63]

The PH 3593A & TG 3593A are both 3.1/8" and in the pic. is a Fredricks filter. I went through a few Fred. filters when I first acquired the 2000. The whole tractor was Org. and all intact but it was apparent of the lack of maintenance so I went through oil filters every 25 Tach. Hrs.. And they was Heavy when removing them!! 3 In less than a Yr.. I just so happened to see the Orange which I new was a Fram on a used tractor @ Spalding and asked for the #. Steve had a good Idea of what I was going through since that's were the tractor came from and gladly gave me the #. Steve @ Spalding is One great guy to deal with!!!:thumbsup:

 

[kenmac]

even with the compression release you still are putting wear on bearing surfaces that are rotating without full oil pressure on them, sure its unloaded rotation since its not compression strokes from the engine and just the starter spinning it but its still rotating.

Just like a car or any other vehicle that uses oil. That said, there should be a film of oil on the bearings at start up that protect the crank, etc, until the oil gets flowing

 

[California]

I should have been clearer, the different length filters have different #'s. And the Hoye filters I have ordered are intermediate size, in the three filter lengths I am familiar with.

What I read recently was complaints from Subaru owners that the shortest possible filter was fitted to the turbo version of an engine just to make some clearance, this obviously reduced filtration capacity and oil cooling for an engine that had been better protected with the prior filter spec. This led to a discussion where the most convincing argument to me was if you are using the modern longer oil change oils then the premium version of the largest filter that will fit, is preferable.

=====Here are notes from a text file I compiled from TBN posts long ago:=========
F14D uses the same oil filter as all the YM series.
NAPA 1064, 1334, 1344
Fram PH3593A
AC PF1127
Motorcraft FL810
STP S2808
SuperTech (Wal-Mart) ST2808

I also think the following will work:
Fram PH6811
Carquest 85334
Baldwin B4459

Posted by: Greg TBN 4-24-03
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Oil filters-Baldwin
Baldwin Filters - premium line for semis etc
Baldwin Catalog Lookup System
Lube B179 1
Fuel (104500-55710) PF937 1
Air (124764-12510) PA3795 1
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On the internet oil discussion boards, relief valve and leakdown specs are argued endlessly. As I posted above I think these specs are irrelevant if you change your filter before it is plugged.

Micron size passed/blocked is relevant but I think our little engines around 1 liter size were designed with about the same lube specs as the 1.5 liter and up Japanese auto engines of the era, so a good filter spec'd for those autos should meet Yanmar specs.

 

[clemsonfor]

Just like a car or any other vehicle that uses oil. That said, there should be a film of oil on the bearings at start up that protect the crank, etc, until the oil gets flowing

you are correct. That's why many of us like syn oil as it supposedly leaves a better film. But I know I am not telling you anything you don't know as I have read many posts of yours on oil.

 

[kenmac]

yeah, I like extended oil drains. I also like the cold flowing characteristics of synthetic too.

 

[Neat 1500]

The Baldwin I use is a B227. I have also used a Sakura C1032, both are good just the Baldwin is US made and slightly cheaper

 

[Jtullis13]

This is all very interesting. I've always been big in changing my oil and filter routinely in my vehicles and equipment. But this is the first time I've been intrigued by the discussion on the length of the filters. I have been using the longer filters that Hoye has and I am still using Dino oil. My plan was to change to synthetic before this winter.