Ok deer hunters...fess up!

[Anonymous Poster]

How about one of those compressor driven air horns? Fill a mobile tank, throw it (well roll it) into the tractor bucket, take it to the property line and let fly. How about coyote recordings sent out at about 400db?

Post the area no hunting, or get some official looking government signs. You may defer some of them. Of course most of these bozo's can't read anyway as they will go on anyone's property. The property I actually live on is 10 acres, 5 with a house and buildings, 5 raw. Heard gunshots one day, went over 300 feet some guy was target practice shooting, mailboxes right where he parked his car on the street, DUH.

I had a relative murdered over a deer. He was what I refer to as "traditional" old time hunter. Respect for safety, respect for others, respect for the land, respect for himself. Whenever I see an orange vest unfortunately all I think of first learning he had his throat cut.

How about getting the area declared a no shooting zone? Enough neighbors can do this locally in many jurisdictions.

Hunters? Hate to be negative, but what I see is not the "traditional" hunter, all I seem to run into is the "let's get some beer and go blow up something, animals, signs, whatever"

Most of them seem to be compensating for having a small you know what.

If they really had any testosterone they's be in Kosovo or heading out for Afghanistan. Ever looked at a deer or observed them in the wild? They stand still and look at you. You can damn near walk up to them. Some challenge. These guys that shoot competively, at targets I can't even see? That's where the thrill would be for me, if I had a chance of not embarrassing myself! (YOU, SHOOTER #21, PLEASE AIM AT THE TARGETS! /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif)

del

 

[Richard]

Del,

Horrific about your relative. I’m not beyond admitting that since we are in fact, so remote, those types of concerns also cross my mind. I often wonder if I’m being way off base or prudent. To tell the truth, I don’t even own a BB gun. Now I’m wondering if I need to pick up an “incredikill” shotgun or other for “peace of mind” and protecting the homestead. Yes, the in-laws have numerous firearms and they are the two houses next door. I’ve just never been the gun owner “type” if we can again, stereotype. My motto is generally live & let live.

I’ve written my congressman and am hoping to meet with some others at the community across the lake (lots of $$ retirees) and see if collectively we can “adjust” the hunting rules/reality where we live. AND I’m working with the Sheriff’s department and Wildlife agencies.

I intend on doing SOMETHING and it obviously has to be legal. I fail to see how protecting THEIR “rights” should infringe on MY rights to simply being outdoors on OUR land without fear of being perforated.

Richard

 

[ejb]

I haven't read thru the entire thread, so maybe someone has already made these points, but here are some of my thoughts.

1. 250 acres is PLENTY of land to hunt on.
2. Unless you are hunting in a wide open field with NO trees, the chance of a bullet traveling over 1000 feet thru the trees without being stopped is almost statistically impossible
3. If you are going to move into rural areas, you are going to have to put up with hunters...I am sure those woods were hunted long before you ever owned the property. Doesn't really seem fair that someone moves into an area and then proclaims all hunters must go someplace else.
4. I don't hunt, never have, but would if I needed to feed my familiy. How many people that are opposed to hunting but still eat cows and other animals from the supermarket? isn't really any more humane to kill a cow than a deer? They both suffer, but that is nature.
5. If you care at all about the gun attacks on the second amendment, you shouldn't alienate hunters. They are an important ally. Get rid of hunters and all of a sudden their is a huge amount of people that no longer really care about the 2nd amendment.

Just some of my thoughts. I get nervous during hunting season, but I try to keep in perspective. I have my 175 acres posted no hunting, but I am surround by another few thousand acres of woods that are hunted heavily in season.

 

[TerryinMD]

If the land in question is owned by the Government (TVA, I,m guessing), you should talk to the TVA land managment people. In most cases, hunters need to have permission to hunt Federal property. At least, that is my understanding. I don't think a Congressman will be any help. Well, unless he is on the committee who controls TVA funding.

It appears as though you have thoughless hunters who just don't care about other people. LOL

 

[Richard]

2. Unless you are hunting in a wide open field with NO trees, the chance of a bullet traveling over 1000 feet thru the trees without being stopped is almost statistically impossible

Yes, except for the fact that they are sometimes at the BORDER of the property just on the other side. Point being, they don’t seem to SHOW that they care where they are and as Von aptly suggest, they show no respect for other land owners. The border happens to in fact, be right next to our fields so they do in fact have a very open space with few obsticals.

3. If you are going to move into rural areas, you are going to have to put up with hunters...I am sure those woods were hunted long before you ever owned the property. Doesn't really seem fair that someone moves into an area and then proclaims all hunters must go someplace else.

Though I agree with your concept, unbeknowing to you, this is a REALLY sore scab. Some more light on this issue This farm used to be almost 1,200 acres and then maybe 30 years ago or so, TVA comes along and takes all but 250 acres for their lake. Fine. That is my father in laws issue. The land that the hunters now legally hunt on USED TO BE OWNED BY THE FAMILY. TVA took the land (they needed the land up to “X” foot water level). The land in conversation here is on a hill, so the “x” foot level is maybe the first 10 to 50 feet inland from the waters edge. They didn't and don’t need this tract of land when they took it, some dink-o-crat must have taken a ruler to a map to draw their border. I have approached them about buying it back and get the run around about how it’s public land and they need it for all to enjoy.

4. I don't hunt, never have, but would if I needed to feed my familiy. How many people that are opposed to hunting but still eat cows and other animals from the supermarket? isn't really any more humane to kill a cow than a deer? They both suffer, but that is nature.

Yes, again, I don’t oppose hunting, hunters, nor eating meat.

5. If you care at all about the gun attacks on the second amendment, you shouldn't alienate hunters. They are an important ally. Get rid of hunters and all of a sudden their is a huge amount of people that no longer really care about the 2nd amendment.

I do support the amendment AND hunters. I have even contemplated on joining the NRA just to show my support in spite of not owning a BB gun. My only issue is safety.

Richard

 

[Anonymous Poster]

Good post!

I wish there was another term besides "hunters" so I didn't have to stereotype either. The "hunters" I speak of usually leave the carcass where it lays, except for the horns or head.

Unfortunately a lot of deer are shot but don't die right away, I think the cows have it easier. Of course the other option is (where we live) death by cougar, which can't be very pleasant either.

I have hand weapons but no long guns, probably just proficient enough to shoot myself in the foot.

Unfortunately from a defensive standpoint, the best weapon is a sawed off double barreled shotgun. Aim is unimportant for close range. I find it a bit bizarre that I can legally by all kinds of assault weapons, but I can't saw the barrel off of a shotgun. If the NRA wasn't so far over the line sometimes common sense wise, I'd probably join them, but I do find it bizarre that I can buy gasoline and matches, but that even with a clean record I can't have a sawed off barrel.

del

 

[ejb]

Do you have an example of where the NRA is "so far over the line"...inquiring minds want to know.

 

[dmccarty]

Richard,

I understand your concern but the shooting being close to your home, is part of living in the country. One could make a good argument that shooting a high powered rifle within a mile or mile and a half of a house should be banned.

Unfortunately, slobs are a problem regardless of where you live. I have some living 20 feet away from my house in the city. /w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif

Stopping trespassers and litterers is a problem many of us have. Not much to be done except post the land and try to enforce the signs when you can.

What has happened in the densely populated counties in NC is to require big game hunting from stands only. These are county wide rules. I'm not sure but I think some counties ban the use of high powered rifles county wide as well. I think your chances of getting something like this enacted are much higher than banning hunting within 1000 yards of a house. Under that rule, if we build on our 54 acres where we currently plan, I'm not sure I could hunt on the majority of my own property! You won't get much support for other land owners with that rule.

Good Luck,
Dan McCarty

 

[Phred]

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You forget that I am from NY and my wife is not my sister!

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Leave it to a Yankee to make a remark like that.
I grew up in TN and never even heard of anyone that has married a relative. But the times I have been to NY city .....
After all we (Arkansas) managed to pawn off our not so best and brightest to NY/w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

Richard; Sounds like you need to move to NY. Has anyone actually been harmed in anyway or is this just all in your mind?
Also listen to the other guys. If you go making a big fuss about a problem that has never occured then you will just generate negativity. After all that part of the world is not exactly kansas. 250 acres is actually a pretty good size piece of land and bullets are not very effective through those hills.
Also most folks are usually very carefull and resaonable. Have you tried to talk to the hunters in question.
I am always supprised how people will jump to a new law or a lawsuit when a simple friendly discussion would likely solve the problem.

Fred

 

[kerr]

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