OK guys today was weight day to determine necessity for rear counterbalance

[RaydaKub]

Although somewhat confusing to an Old Phart this is an interesting topic. I'm beginning through every posters input see the light at the end of the tunnel. One last thought wouldn't the back 1/2 any weight on/in rear wheels contribute to the same counterbalance weight as on the 3 pt IE approximately 45% of the weight(wheel weights) in question would be behind rear axle??????????

K0UA's post is very accurate and a good explanation, but if you're still not there, let me give it a shot.

The wheel weight or the fluid is "applied" to the tractor only through the axle. If you were to still lift the rear end off the ground, the tractor will feel that weight only at the axle point, regardless of where it is really located. Leverage is calculated by force times length of the lever arm. Since the weight is applied at the axle, and the axle is the rear fulcrum, therefore, the lever arm from the fulcrum is ZERO length. ZERO times any weight will exert zero leverage.

 

[ovrszd]

You guys need to lighten up. I enjoyed this discussion as much as anyone. I also learned along the way. I in no way was snubbing anyone for not getting it. I was simply amused at the variety of angles taken to get to the same point To the OP, I'm sorry I offended you or anyone else and will step out of this conversation.

 

[LD1]

Not everyone learns and comprehends the same. Sometimes it takes many tries, many different angles, and some extreme examples till something clicks. But we wont give up on Jim that easily.

 

[aczlan]

Speaking of people learning different ways, here is a diagram showing the directions of the different forces on a tractor with a loader and counterweight:


Aaron Z

 

[k0ua]

Speaking of people learning different ways, here is a diagram showing the directions of the different forces on a tractor with a loader and counterweight:
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Aaron Z

Good drawing Aaron!:thumbsup: I though about trying to make one, and decided...nah.. too much work! Keep that drawing handy, we will need it in the future! This is not the end of this, I have seen these discussions for years here.

 

[LD1]

Yes, very nice diagram indeed.

 

[Tx Jim]

Dang Just when I think I've got a grip on the situation and understand fulcrum effect & counterbalance and then Aaron Z posts his diagram and I'm at SQUARE ONE:laughing::laughing:

 

[Bluegill2]

You guys need to lighten up. I enjoyed this discussion as much as anyone. I also learned along the way. I in no way was snubbing anyone for not getting it. I was simply amused at the variety of angles taken to get to the same point To the OP, I'm sorry I offended you or anyone else and will step out of this conversation.

Richard, looks like we misunderstood your last post. It's all good man!