Old JD Disk Info Needed

[dapper]

Evening all,
Not sure weather to post this in attachments, or John Deere. Perhaps more will see under attachments.
Does any one have any information on this old disk? Guy I bought it from could only tell me that it was a John Deere KWA disk. From around mid 50? Said that it was the same as a KBA except that "W" was for wheel!
I have been searching and best I can come up with is a JD KBA, or KCA. No luck looking for KWA! And not much in way of info for either of the above. Hoping some one may have some experience with one like this one and can explain further.
Doesn't seem to be in too bad a shape, all there, and not too wanged out. Needs few new parts, some hoses, and new tires. Check and repack bearings, grease all zerts and should be ready to hit the dirt. This HD cylinder is new to me, and has a couple of things I am not familiar with. Hooked it up, and cylinder works fine, and no spray from the old hoses, so that is a big PLUS!
Just looking for what all you folks have to say. Your input is appreciated. Thanks.

 

[countrybumpkin]

Looks like a 8 foot KBA, I just bought a 7 foot this weekend. Look on Ebay or some other places and you can get a factory operators manual for them, they will tell you how to adjust everything and such. I believe the book number is OM-B25040.

 

[dapper]

C-bumpkin,Thanks! took your advice. I ordered the manual for the KBA. Looks the same to me, will see what the manuals tell me. your right, it is a 8', and it has 20" disk pans on it. Seems to have been used very little for a disk this old. I'm sure my rocky ground will work on it now though.
Is your 7' the same as this? I found information on the KBA with lift, and looks like they are all 3 pt lift disks. How did you come up with the part number for the manual? John Deere site is none to helpful. Know where I might find scraper blades for this? Mail Order? Have part number stamped in blade, so will go to the GREEEN store, and hope they can come up with somthing. Thanks.

 

[dweitzel]

It is a KBA I bought one a couple of years back and refurbished. Parts are still available, but yours looks more complete than mine was originally. If you need parts, I purchased from an Amish gent at Grofendale (sp) machine shop. No web site, but does have a phone. I can try to look up his info if you need it. He rebuilds this model jd disk for horse drawn Amish farmers.

Mine has 8 blades per gang, but I was able to pull it with my 36 hp Cub Cadet 4x4 diesel, but it gave it a real work out. Had to keep the radiator pre-filter real clean or it started to heat up quick. A little more hp to get ups some speed would have helped quite a bit.

It won't be a turning disk, but it will harrow the ground nice.

Enjoy

 

[JohnDeere4300]

It is a KBA I bought one a couple of years back and refurbished.

That is nice and they sure do good work.

 

[kthompson]

dapper, You mentioned a couple of things on the hyd cyl were new to you. Does that mean you have questions there? One thing that would possibly be and looks to be on your cyl is a travel limit for how low the disk is set to limit how deep it cuts. This is similar purpose as stop on your 3 pth level so when you raise and lower it again you are at same depth.

 

[CAB/AIR5225]

Here is one simular that I got from my grandfathers farm after he passed away....I did some refurb on it as well. New Lines and paint. I need some new scrapers. I have no idea what year these were produced, but I would guess..late 60's?

 

[dapper]

dweitzel, thanks, Hope mine can look as good as yours someday. Man"DATS NICE". Lots of work to get it to that stage, but if I did, i don't think I could use it. Definitely need to go towards your way though. Thanks for the tip on the Amish gent. Will keep in mind, but I am trying my local first. He hasn't seen much of MY green, lately, and would hate for him to leave town. Even if he is the wrong color, when it comes to implements I am pretty much color blind. I will be pulling with the 3430 which is about 45 hp, so will see how this works.

Mr. 4300 did you say they work well from experience? Tell me more.

I did notice dweitzel, that yours didn't have the hyd. cylinder. Did it not come with it, or did you replace same? I believe some of them did not have the cyl. and I am not sure how they were adjusted.

Kthom, I do have a couple of questions about the cylinder. I hooked it up and the thing worked just fine. Now I don't know how it should work, but it did lift and retract with no problems. I have figured out that the large outer ring is to set the depth of the disk, by limiting the travel of the wheels, correct? Just move the disk in or out to raise the wheel, or lower. now question is what is the little rod at the top of the cylinder that the flat disk will push against? See pict. 2 Is this some kind of bypass for limiting the travel? Can you tell me any more?
Thanks for your help guys, and keep it coming. gotta get this thing ready for the spring thing....

 

[JohnDeere4300]

Here is one simular that I got from my grandfathers farm after he passed away....I did some refurb on it as well. New Lines and paint. I need some new scrapers. I have no idea what year these were produced, but I would guess..late 60's?

Welcome to TBN!

That is a nice set too.

That would be something that you would always want to keep, i have some old plows that were my grandfathers and i will always keep them.

Thanks for the pictures.

 

[Egon]

Dapper, how about a close up picture of the other other side and the front of the lift cylinder.

 

[dapper]

Cab, looking good. hope mine come out that good. Gotta ask, how did you get rid of all the rust? Did you do the paint? Like JD4300 says, they mean more if your related to them. I also have my grandfathers 2 bottom plow's. They still work great, and you can't buy anything nearly as good now days.
I love old iron!
Egon, I have posted pics of both sides of the cylinder, hope there useful. Perhaps you can tell me what the small valve at the top in pict 3 is used for?
Received the manual today. Gotta love that Ebay! Skimmed thru but it doesn't explain the hyd. Cyl at all. just shows a few pict. I will give it a good read as soon as I sign off.

 

[Egon]

[now question is what is the little rod at the top of the cylinder that the flat disk will push against? See pict. 2 Is this some kind of bypass for limiting the travel?/QUOTE]

I think you may have it figured out.

 

[dweitzel]

Yes, mine came with the cylinder, but my little CUT does not have rear remotes I plan on running some extension hoses from the FEL joystick someday when I get a chance. For now, use a ratching extender (for lack of what it is called), and just ratchet up the wheels when in use. I did a little fabrication to the keeper on the back to keep it locked in position because I take the ratchet off and store it inside when not in use.

I used POR-15 paint to seal/prevent furture rust. Great when topcoated to deter/stop rust.

The threaded turnbuckle on the front drawbar allows adjustment of the front and rear gangs to level out the gangs or make a more aggressive cut in the front or the rear. The gangs are also adjusted for angle. The more angle the more agressive the cut.

As stated before, not an aggressive turning plow type disk, but sure worked great for turning over a cow damage hay field to about 4-5" depth. It will work your 45hp. Keep the radiator pre-filter clean!

Dave

 

[countrybumpkin]

C-bumpkin,Thanks! took your advice. I ordered the manual for the KBA. Looks the same to me, will see what the manuals tell me. your right, it is a 8', and it has 20" disk pans on it. Seems to have been used very little for a disk this old. I'm sure my rocky ground will work on it now though.
Is your 7' the same as this? I found information on the KBA with lift, and looks like they are all 3 pt lift disks. How did you come up with the part number for the manual? John Deere site is none to helpful. Know where I might find scraper blades for this? Mail Order? Have part number stamped in blade, so will go to the GREEEN store, and hope they can come up with somthing. Thanks.

Yes mine looks just like yours only it is a 7 footer, it was the smallest one made with a wheel lift style. I would of liked to had an 8 foot but this one is in excellent condition for it's age, the only thing missing is one scrapper on the rear gang. All the springs are in good shape the pin holes are all tight, and nothing looks to been welded back or patched on the frame assembly, I'll post pics later. As for the info I just kept searching goggle for "John Deere KBA" "KBA disc" and started reading, I don't remember if it was in my manual or a chart off the net that gave the specs for each model , such as blade count and disc diameter and such.

 

[dapper]

Country,
I received my book for the "KBA" Tuesday and have been reading up since. I also have a book for a KCA disk. I can not tell the difference between the two. Seem to be same specs. May be older than KBA? Any one know?

Like yours mine was in good shape for age. Not worn out, broke or bent. Blades all in good shape, and not nicked or cracked, and have not set in the mud for ever. Worst part of mine is paint. It has set out for probably most of its life, and is pretty rusty. Tires are gone, but that is to be expected.

From what I am able to determine the disk was made from mid 50's thru mid 60's in several models. From a 5ft 2in thru 14ft 6in. As you stated the smallest wheeled seems to be the 7ft 6in model. All were sold with 16, 18, or 20 in blades.
After measuring I have determined that mine is a: Model KBA 2416.
This is cut width of 8ft 8in, 7&1/8 disk spacing, 24 disks of 16 in size.

Mine was missing a left rear scraper blade, and the hardware to mount it. Went to my local JD dealer, and surprise, surprise, they looked up the parts and they stock all of them. Had to order but they should be in by Tuesday!!! I was shocked. Not cheap, but then the only thing I know of that is cheap is me... But I'm not easy?

Forgot to check if they carry the furrow leveling blade. I have the top and spring, but not the blade itself. Was so shocked they had the rest of items, I forgot to ask about blade.

Book is still unclear on the Hyd. Cyl. It shows a picture of one, but has no information on the cylinder at all. I will keep on looking.

Now as soon as the ground gets dry enough that I can get on it I will try it out and see how she operates. Look forward to seeing what it pulls like. Will give her a try and see what else needs to be done to it. If we are good from that point, I will see if I can clean it up a bit. Perhaps do the paint an such.
Would love to see a pic of yours.

 

[countrybumpkin]

I had to get a new tube put in one of the tires, today and should be able to go get it and bring it home. I'll get some pics when I do. I think it will work just fine for me, Mine has the cutting style blades on the front gangs and standard ones on the rears.

 

[countrybumpkin]

Here are a few pics, I had to take the tire and get it fixed.

 

[dapper]

Yep, same disk. I also had scrapers missing. Was able to buy them at the Deere store, along with the pin and springs that hold it on. I was able to buy 2 brackets that hold the scrapers on also. they went on the outside frount, and I don't believe they had ever been there. I see yours are missing also. Deere had to order, but had all the parts! $$$ I had the part numbers and they were able to cross reference all. Let me know if you need the numbers, and i will post.
Now I have to find coupla a good tires for it.

 

[countrybumpkin]

Thanks, Part numbers would be great, I had to get two new tires for mine also.

 

[dapper]

Country,
Here you go.

Part# Desription price
B10436 Bracket $44.63 R.H. Frout, L.H. Rear
B10437 Bracket $42.50 L.H.Front, R.H. Rear
B10446 scraper $14.85 R.H. Frout, L.H. Rear
B10447 scraper $14.85 L.H.Front, R.H. Rear
KK4636B Pin $4.10
B1146B spring $3.30

Didn't say they were cheap, but available.
Let me know if there are other part numbers you need. My JD dealer was able to look these right up. The numbers I actually have are the same, but they have a B at the end of them. He said he just dropped the last B, and was able to bring them right up.
Hope this helps.
BTW, I bought the operators manual "OM-B25040" and it doesn't include the parts list. Older manual for KBA "OM-B16-153", and KCA "OM-B49-959" are older, and have all parts break down. Good to know before sending money.