Oldies - What tractor?

[chim]

Kinda looks like a Case, but I don't know what the tractor is in this photo. This was taken a week or so ago near my place. The "baler" tied neat little bundles................chim

 

[txdon]

Chim, I don't know what tractor that is but that is the coolest picture I have see here on TBN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I love that baler!!!!
Did you get anymore pics?

 

[chim]

Unfortunately, I was in a hurry and took a few long shots across a field. Here's another that I was a little more zoomed in for...........chim

 

[Bob_Skurka]

chim . . . I'm not a gambling man, but I'd almost lay money down that you took pictures of a Hart-Parr tractor.


(I'm a member of the Hart-Parr Olivers Collectors Association, but I've never restored/worked on a Hart-Parr, it sure has the right shape and colors . . . as we Oliver folks say, it is painted the right color green, but the flat sheetmetal fenders with the 2 parallel reinforcing humps that run on the fenders is also very indicitive of a Hart Parr)

 

[Egon]

That is a binder originally set up to be pulled by horses. It cuts grain and ties it into bundles which in turn are stooked by hand and allowed to dry. The drive for all this is from what is called " bullwheel ' which is just ahead and a little to the right of the fellow sitting on the binder.

Egon

 

[frank_f15]

at first i thought it might be an old SILVER KING but he fenders don't match the one we used years ago, so bob is more that likey right. the unit it is pulling is an early type combine, cut the grain and tied it in bundles, then it was set up to dry and then brought in to be threshed by a thresing machine. the treshing machine seperated the wheat, oats etc, from the chafe, the grain was bagged in burlap bags and the straw was used for other uses, at least that is the way i remember it from a few years back /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

 

[RonR]

I'm not a good expert at this, but the fenders "rib", as well as the seat/platform, and the style of the hood and front appear to me to be a McCormack Deering. Rubber tires and wheels would tell me later than 1930s. The MD original paint was battleship gray, so the paint on the fenders doesn't seem to match, but the style seems right.

I'm not convinced, but an opinion only.
ron

 

[hwp]

The implement is a binder not a combine. Combines were the next iteration combining the functions of a binder and a threshing machine. Binders were used to cut the standing grain and bundle it into sheaves, hence the term "binder twine". The sheaves were usually piled in "stooks" so the binders had a carrier that could hold a number of sheaves. When the carrier was full, the operator released the accumulated sheaves onto the field. Usually within a day or two the sheaves would be stacked in stooks by hand to allow the grain to dry. When the grain was dry enough to thrash, the sheaves were picked up and put into wagons and taken to a threshing machine. The threshing machines would separate the grain from the straw. The threshing machines were belt driven from a pto pulley on a tractor. The belts were 8 to 12 inches wide and as much as 100 feet long. In the early years the tractors were steam powered but i/c engine tractors replaced them.

Combines combined the processes of the binder and the threshing machine - they could cut the grain and process it in one pass. However the grain often had to be cut before it was dry enough to thrash. The grain was then cut by a "swather" and laid on the field in swaths. When it was dry enough to thrash, a "pickup" was attached to the table of the combine to pick up the grain in the swaths and feed it into the combine to separate the grain from the straw. The straw was often windrowed so that it could be bailed.

The first combines were pulled by a tractor. Some were powered by the pto on the tractor but most had a separate engine to run the combine. Then came the self-propelled or "pusher" combines which is what you usually see in use today. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[Egon]

There were horse pulled combines with no independant engine at one time. Think they were only used where staight combining wass possible. The numbers of horses required was quite large.

Egon

 

[hwp]

That's interesting Egon. I never worked with or saw a horse drawn combine. It certainly would have taken a lot of horses to pull one. I can't imagine the size of the bull wheel! BTW, for those who wondered why the drive belt for the threshing machine was so long, it was to keep some distance between the horses pulling the wagons and the tractor. On every crew that I worked on or saw working, the wagons would approach the threshing machine from the rear so the horses pulling the wagons were further toward the tractor than the throat of the threshing machine. even with that distance, some teams of horses were quite nervous about the noise of the tractor. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif