Opinion on welder

   / Opinion on welder #22  
Thankd for getting this discussion going. I have a direct, right to the point question for the welding pros.

I want to weld on some hooks, add some strength bars (as seen on TBN), may decide to add some rails or build a set for my new trailer, make some 3 pt stuff when I get time and talent enough, even make one of the landscaping dethatchers that was shown on here some time back.

What and where to get. I have looked at the ones at TSC, but being a welding know nothing, have to rely on the experienced.,.......not the TSC sales staff.

what do I need

thanks, and I apologize for hijacking the thread
 
   / Opinion on welder #23  
For the beginner you have a few choices. If you want a mig with C25 shielding gas, which is the easiest to learn on and the most flexible in terms of what you can weld, get a Hobart Handler 135 or 175. It has tapped settings that take all the guess work out of setup. Cost will be in the $400-$600 depending on where you buy. If you want a little more features and slightly better construction, go for the Miller MM175. For what you are planning, you will be disappointed with a 120 volt machine so plan on 240 volt which puts you in the 175 and up category.

If you want to go with stick then any 200 amp machine is probably ok but I would stay with a name brand like Lincoln. I have not looked at prices lately but around $200 seems right.

To do what you want you will have to do multiple passes so you got to practice, practice, practice.

The Hobart/Miller welding forums are a great place to get expert welding information and they are not brand specific.

My recommendations are based on experience building stuff like you want to do. I have a stick machine, a Miller MM175 and an oxy/acetylene rig. I'll take the mig any day.
 
   / Opinion on welder #24  
pete,,thats right,,a hunglow,,,its got many amps of raw chinese power,its no big two or three,,,castings are a little rough, but it should do the trick,,,if I could just figure out what the manual says.........thingy
 
   / Opinion on welder #25  
Dan,,,if you have no welding experience,,,either on mig or stick,,,than you should get a stick machine,,,much simpler,,in this you got two choces,,a transformer machine[one that uses house current,230 volts,or somthing like that],,or a welder generator,,,one that has a motor,,,the transformer ones are cheaper of course,but the generator ones are portable,and have plug ins for other things,,,,,in these machines,,you got choices,,,a.c./d.c.,,,,just a.c.,,,just d.c.,,,,you should get a d.c. out put,,d.c. welds better,,,than you got to think about welding amps,,,get one that will put out about180- 200 amps,,,that way you can use up to about a 5/32 rod,,,duty cycle is how these machines are rated,,they will say 30%@200 amps,or 60%@150 amps,,,that means that machine will run 3 out of 10 min at 200 amps or 6 out of 10 min at 150 amps,,,before a breaker kicks off,so the machine don't over heat,,,about a 1/8 inch rod is as big as you need for most things,,a 1/8 inch rod takes about 100 to 120 amps,,so if you was using above duty cycle,,you would proably have close to 100 % duty cycle with a 1/8 inch rod,,something like that,,but the better the duty cycle rating,,the more better,but with stick welding,[cause you got to stop,change rods,clean,etc],you are never welding much more than 5 or 6 min out of 10.If you choose to get a mig machine,,duty cycle is even more inportant,,and works the same way,,,.035 wire is what you could run,,it takes about 120 amps,so thats how you rate them as well,,but I would get a stick machine,,lincoln,,miller/hobart,,should be able to get a good transformer type for 400?,,,motor gen. type will cost you a couple thousand,,,for a good one,,,I forgot what the question was? thingy
 
   / Opinion on welder #26  
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Danny,

The best thing you can do is take a continuing education course in welding at you local community college, if you have one. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Nothing beats having an instructor to get you started. An experienced eye, and all that. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Reading Gary_in-Indianna's past posts convienced me to do it. That way you can get a feel for welding and decide it is for you before you buy a welder.

I remember the instructor saying something like, 2% are naturals, 95% will become good welders if they work at it, and 3% will never make a good weld no matter how hard they try... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif

In my case, I took the class first cause I figured if I bought my welder first, I would end up finding out I was one of those rare birds in the lower 3% bracket... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
 
   / Opinion on welder #27  
Thanks Henro. I have done some with a small welder my dad had. I got to where I could write my name on light metal with light rods. I have a couple of friends that would be more than willing to get me started, but a class may be what is more to my liking.......right along with the computer classes I am taking to upgrade my job qualifications. I am enrolling in a weekend university class next week for my MCSA or E on server 2003. Welding will have to come second to that.
 
   / Opinion on welder #28  
Wow.

I have a friend, late seventies in age. His miller buzz box is so old that I've never seen such a model. My first Miller buzz box was early seventies.

Walter taught welding, inspected welding, and was a supervisor over welding at a large welding shop in Dallas. He was good enough at that they, the company, gave him a twenty five thousand dollar bonus for 1968. It was unheard of then, an ungodly amount in today's dollars, but he was that good.

He's told me lots of stories about the old days. Like when him and another supervisor went to Hobart school to learn about mig welding, an up and coming process.

I remember one evening walking down to the store for our lottery tickets with my wife. We stopped by to look at a project that Walter had been working on for a couple of days. The last pass was three quarters of an inch wide and looked very similar to the pictures at the beginning of this thread. My wife looked at that and then asked me how come my welds didn't look like that.

He did it with an older'n water Miller buzz box and eighth inch 6013, farmer's friend. The secret was multiple passes.
 

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