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[mark777]

Piddling,

Regardless of where someone's tractor came from, isn't it better to be informed about ones choices? It's hardly ever about the tractor but more about the dealer, his price, support, availability of parts and knowledge. Somehow I'm inclined to believe you spent sufficient time discussing your choices, needs and options with the dealer you selected from....many don't.

There are allot of people that are predisposed to believe that tractors reconditioned in Vietnam fall well short of the claims dealers and importers make. Most are pieced together, painted and exported capitalizing on the brands name, reliability and company's history. Not too long ago (2 years maybe?) there were countless new owners agonizing over continuous problems and several with catastrophic failures....no dealers, support or recourse, but some found their way here. And other than a few isolated incidents where a person used this forum as a podium to spout how badly they we shafted, all others either fixed their Yanmars with help from TBN members...or they dumped them at auction..etc.

I'm sure someone can find and post a link where a member generalized the term "I Told You So" but I'm confident that the vast majority of posts either warn perspective buyers to be very thorough in their selection from the tractor, dealer and opinions on used vs. reconditioned. Concerning help, I have seen no bias or distinction from forum members who convey their suggestions for an owner (or new owner) experiencing trouble.

Mark

 

[arthr31]

Concerning help, I have seen no bias or distinction from forum members who convey their suggestions for an owner (or new owner) experiencing trouble.

Mark

Mark's right, I've received a lot of help on both my american and asian yanmars, and it never mattered which or where it was from. for that, I've very grateful for this forum...

perhaps we should close this thread at this point? What's been said has been said, and many times...

 

[LMTC]

I don't recall any one ever saying every vn recon is junk. Sheer odds say some would be good. I sincerely hope your tractor serves you long and well....I've said so to you. Even if it is only 1 in 20 that has a catastrophic failure, whatever it is is way higher than with those brought in directly by most importers. May have nothing to do with the fact that they go to viet nam or anywhere else. Has to do with being junk at the start of the process.

What is getting lost in this "will it hold up or will it fall apart" dialogue is the very documentable fact that many of the "dealers" selling the vn recons misrepresent the hours....most of us know about the reset hour meters now, so it's hard for them to claim these as new tractors any more, but many still claim 0 hours, or 2 or 3 hours on the tractor, and by every standard used in this country for machinery, that is wrong....AND the blatant, consistent, persistent "misrepresentation" of the year of manufacture.

HERE is a link to a search on tractorhouse.com for zennoh and yanmar. Look at the claimed years for the tractors, look at the tractors (many claiming 0 to 5 hours) to recognize the recons in most cases, and if in doubt, call the seller....they are selling vn recons. 1989 YM 1401D? 1984 YM 1500? 1990 YM 1601? 1990 YM 2000? I don't think so. They have a tendency to make many tractors "1980" models, because they get them into a more recent decade by adding just a year or so. Even the company you so worry about is advertising a 1980 YM1500 and not long ago was advertising a 1983 YM1700. That last ad is now gone, but I saved it. That is just plain wrong and all it takes to know better is to check in Japan.

WHY....I repeat, WHY, if they are selling a credible, durable product is there this overwhelming tendency to misrepresent the hours and the years of manufacture? Speaking in general, would you buy from a seller who would either knowingly misrepresent these things or be so ignorant as to not know their own product? For me, that deceptiveness has always shaded that portion of the market, and tells me enough to know I want nothing to do with it. Then of course there are all the calls and emails none of you see.

 

[buppy69]

Well said, Wayne. I have seen 2 recons this week. One was a Yanmar with Mitsubishi decals on it. The other was a mid 80's Hinomoto with a late 70's hood and grille.

Eugene

 

[Travis_R]

Well said, Wayne. I have seen 2 recons this week. One was a Yanmar with Mitsubishi decals on it. The other was a mid 80's Hinomoto with a late 70's hood and grille.

Eugene

Yes, well said LMTC.

buppy69,

THOSE are the tractors that I would not mess with........I KNOW what to look for in tractors.............But the people that don't.....well.......thats where they end up "gettin the shaft."..........Thats why we need to choose a good dealer to buy from.


I'm gonna say something that I don't think I've said before..................................I WOULD NOT buy from any other place/dealer/distributor/whatever, of Vietnam reconditioned tactors OTHER THAN RCO Tractor BECAUSE they are confident enough in their product to back it 110%.......I think that the majority of the rest of the Vietnam tractors being sold are junk.

There ARE a LOT of bad dealers out there with junk tractors just to make a quick buck..........And THEY are the ones that causes all the TROUBLE for the "gray market" tractor business (here on TBN for example). As you know, those are the ones that you stay away from.

Travis R

 

[YanmarFever]

Mark's right, I've received a lot of help on both my american and asian yanmars, and it never mattered which or where it was from. for that, I've very grateful for this forum...

perhaps we should close this thread at this point? What's been said has been said, and many times...

I dont think this thread should be closed at all until all partys have had their say on the subject
I had a vietnamese dealer open shop near us in Portland Oregon. I say vietnamese because he was from vietnam along with their tractors. They were telling all their customers that parts were no problem at all, just call Ernie's Imports he can fix your machines & sell you all the parts you ever need. They did not want to work on tractors at all, they just wanted to sell them with 3 hours on the meters and a paint job. Again deception to gain sales.
Our phones were ringing for months for parts, finally we figured out what was goin down & refused to sell parts to ANY of their customers, How would you of handled this ?
Are you beginning to see why the responsible dealers dont want to support the vietnam reconditioned lie.
I could go on.....
Ernie

 

[California]

...Our phones were ringing for months for parts, finally we figured out what was goin down & refused to sell parts to ANY of their customers, How would you of handled this?

I don't see the logic in turning away customers.

I can see you might have to charge them enough to cover the education you need to provide along with the parts, and that they they should have received from the importer. (who is a merchant, not a tractor dealer).

But I guess I would see this as an opportunity to expand good-markup parts sales. What am I missing here?

It looks to me that Hoye just sits there quietly and sells parts as fast as they can take the orders. What's wrong with doing the same thing for your region?

 

[Tom_Veatch]

Ernie, at first blush, I tend to agree with California. Now if the VINA dealer/merchant's customers were/are giving you grief about needing parts/repairs/etc. on such "low time" tractors, that's an entirely different story.

 

[YanmarFever]

I don't see the logic in turning away customers.

I can see you might have to charge them enough to cover the education you need to provide along with the parts, and that they they should have received from the importer. (who is a merchant, not a tractor dealer).

But I guess I would see this as an opportunity to expand good-markup parts sales. What am I missing here?

It looks to me that Hoye just sits there quietly and sells parts as fast as they can take the orders. What's wrong with doing the same thing for your region?

Heres the problem, I would sell them parts that half the time did not fit the machine they were asking for, because those tractors were assembled from other parts tractors, or the parts were hand made & new holes drilled or welded on,

I finally got tired of refunds and feeling like I was doing something wrong so we closed that door,needless to say that dealer is no longer in business.
Ernie's Imports is in the business of selling parts to our tractor customers and others on tractorbynet not to keep our deceptive competitors in line at the bank
The last I heard Aaron at Hoye sells parts, we sell tractors and parts to our customers anyone else we refer them to Hoye. In fact all of our tractors have Hoyes decal with phone# on them so the customer can shop around if they like.

 

[California]

Heres the problem, I would sell them parts that half the time did not fit the machine they were asking for, because those tractors were assembled from other parts tractors, or the parts were hand made

Ok, I can see how diferent people have different tolerances for bs and it's certainly a reasonable decision to just quit supporting that nonsense.

Me, I think I would just keep raising prices for the specialty work needed to get those tractors back to normal. And have a real high restock fee, maybe 50%. I think this approach would eventually bury that bogus importer as word gets around that his tractors are real expensive to get right.

But you're the one who actually had to deal with this, not us theorists.