Wingnut
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good one .... working smarter is much more efficient than working harder.
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Wingnut
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<font color=blue>the management who was working the striking employees job</font color=blue>
I'd certainly buy that if it were one tire from one plant ....
but it wasn't ....
nor does it explain the other comments I made .... which I would just put all together under <font color=blue>sabotage.</font color=blue>. Very few marbles are actually used in the manufacturer of an automobile.
Speaking of striking .... what I always like is the fact that the union always gets a clause in that prevents management from prosecuting strikers who damaged company or private property during the strike. I know the animals that attacked my wife and destroyed her car during a strike were never prosecuted or penalized in any way.
I'd certainly buy that if it were one tire from one plant ....
but it wasn't ....
nor does it explain the other comments I made .... which I would just put all together under <font color=blue>sabotage.</font color=blue>. Very few marbles are actually used in the manufacturer of an automobile.
Speaking of striking .... what I always like is the fact that the union always gets a clause in that prevents management from prosecuting strikers who damaged company or private property during the strike. I know the animals that attacked my wife and destroyed her car during a strike were never prosecuted or penalized in any way.
utahmule
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Pete,
Agreed again, never asked for a raise, and other than elective job changes recently, never went a year without a raise and/or bonus.
Agreed again, never asked for a raise, and other than elective job changes recently, never went a year without a raise and/or bonus.
Egon
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Pete;
I was there building roadbed and then the road to Grande Cache. The camps were about 250 man size when in full operation.
I think the jet boats were put to use in the very preliminary stages of deciding where the track would go. This may have been before your time out there.
And yes I remember the new operators working thier way up the line day by day til they got to stay on. I can also remember some very good operators who did not know how to start thier machines as they were left running at shifts end and running at the start of the shift.
Egon
I was there building roadbed and then the road to Grande Cache. The camps were about 250 man size when in full operation.
I think the jet boats were put to use in the very preliminary stages of deciding where the track would go. This may have been before your time out there.
And yes I remember the new operators working thier way up the line day by day til they got to stay on. I can also remember some very good operators who did not know how to start thier machines as they were left running at shifts end and running at the start of the shift.
Egon
<font color=blue>I'd certainly buy that if it were one tire from one plant ....
but it wasn't ....</font color=blue>
I am sure you are wrong on this point...I heard it somewhere,but if you can prove it to me I will accept.You tell me where you heard about these marbles and I want to see it in writing also about a janitor making $100,000.the <font color=blue>average UAW worker made $60,000 last year with overtime.</font color=blue>
You do not have to be in a union to be guilty of sabotage,you can be in management and be guilty of the same thing.I am not in a union and I never have been,but I can tell you I have a better job because of the threat of a union.Have you ever heard of the company store?Have you ever heard of Mark Rich the crook that Bill Clinton pardoned that bought an aluminum plant from Kaiser Aluminum???Locked out a bunch of union workers and hired replacement workers. Get the book and read it'Ravenswood" The steelworkers victory and the revival of American labor...Authors Tom Juravich& Kate Bronfenbrener...it all happened about 20 miles from where I live.
Now if you have 500 men and women working together representation can help and yes some of the strikes are ridiculous,I have never advocated violence on a picket line or anywhere else,it is like hunting, a few bad hunters can give hunting a bad name.Just like these idiots torching a town because a football team won a game.
A union can help promote safety on a job,do you think Marc Rich cared about safety/ there was a lot of fatalities with the replacement workers Rich just cared about production and money he turned Osha away at the gate more than once.,not all strikes are over money,some of them are about safety and working conditions.When you have 500 people working together not everyone can be recognized for there contributions and on the same token it makes it harder to get rid of the "rift raft".I guarantee you if there was no union there would be a lot of people working for minimum wage.
There are other things that add to the expense of operating a business in the US besides labor and that is the enviroment,a lot of these 3rd world countries do not have to adhere to the enviromental policys (EPA) and the safety guidelines(OSHA).
I have seen some people strike for some dumb things and then I have seen management do some things that would make you think that they wanted you to sign a union card.
hard work...you aint got a thing on me as far as hard work goes.
There is 2 sides to every coin,that is why they say negotiate and bargain in good faith.
Is a union the answer to everything?No..........has the union hurt itself...you betcha,has it helped a lot of people ...absolutely.
I could go on....but hey whats the point ?
but it wasn't ....</font color=blue>
I am sure you are wrong on this point...I heard it somewhere,but if you can prove it to me I will accept.You tell me where you heard about these marbles and I want to see it in writing also about a janitor making $100,000.the <font color=blue>average UAW worker made $60,000 last year with overtime.</font color=blue>
You do not have to be in a union to be guilty of sabotage,you can be in management and be guilty of the same thing.I am not in a union and I never have been,but I can tell you I have a better job because of the threat of a union.Have you ever heard of the company store?Have you ever heard of Mark Rich the crook that Bill Clinton pardoned that bought an aluminum plant from Kaiser Aluminum???Locked out a bunch of union workers and hired replacement workers. Get the book and read it'Ravenswood" The steelworkers victory and the revival of American labor...Authors Tom Juravich& Kate Bronfenbrener...it all happened about 20 miles from where I live.
Now if you have 500 men and women working together representation can help and yes some of the strikes are ridiculous,I have never advocated violence on a picket line or anywhere else,it is like hunting, a few bad hunters can give hunting a bad name.Just like these idiots torching a town because a football team won a game.
A union can help promote safety on a job,do you think Marc Rich cared about safety/ there was a lot of fatalities with the replacement workers Rich just cared about production and money he turned Osha away at the gate more than once.,not all strikes are over money,some of them are about safety and working conditions.When you have 500 people working together not everyone can be recognized for there contributions and on the same token it makes it harder to get rid of the "rift raft".I guarantee you if there was no union there would be a lot of people working for minimum wage.
There are other things that add to the expense of operating a business in the US besides labor and that is the enviroment,a lot of these 3rd world countries do not have to adhere to the enviromental policys (EPA) and the safety guidelines(OSHA).
I have seen some people strike for some dumb things and then I have seen management do some things that would make you think that they wanted you to sign a union card.
hard work...you aint got a thing on me as far as hard work goes.
There is 2 sides to every coin,that is why they say negotiate and bargain in good faith.
Is a union the answer to everything?No..........has the union hurt itself...you betcha,has it helped a lot of people ...absolutely.
I could go on....but hey whats the point ?
Wingnut,
I must be a real night-owl since 20+ posts have been made before I can login again to read your response, but I worked until 7:00pm - the last person to leave again. That's O.K., the office is nice and quite after 5:00pm.
First, I read your story of how you survived and then prospered as you educated yourself and constructed your own career with much admiration. People like you, are the ones I look up to.
Second, my problem with people in general is that many of them feel the are entitled to a certain standard of living. They deserve a nice house, a new car, nightly entertainment. They don't have any concept that they need to EARN these things. Unions, or at least the 2 in which that I was a member, encourage their people to believe that they deserve a 10 percent raise every year. Everybody deserving a 10 percent raise, no matter how hard or how little they work isn't good for the company, but that's why so many companies have moved overseas.
When I worked in the barrel factory, the company wanted to shutdown the second shift for the holidays since business was slow. They asked for a single volunteer to work second shift running the press that makes the lids for the barrels. None of my union brethren were interested so I volunteered. The reason they needed the press to run two shifts is that they couldn't make enough lids to keep up with the barrel production. Some industrial engineers did study of the plant and recommended amounts of products that each machine can produce. Naturally the company established quotas, and for that press the number was 1800 lids per shift. Since it was a union shop, the company couldn't enforce these quotas, so the current operators usually made about 900 each shift. So on my first night, it is only me and the foreman, he showed me how to make a couple of lids, and how to change the dies. He told me the quota, and I went to work. Six and a half hours later, I approached the foreman and told him I was done. He couldn't believe it, so he went and counted the lids. He told me to go home. I protested and told him I needed the money to pay for school. I offered to make more lids until the shift was over. He told me to go home, and he would punch me out at the scheduled time. The next night, I made my quota in six hours and went home early again. The following night against company policy but with foreman's permission, I brought a small TV to watch while I worked. I still finished in 6 hours. I did this for two weeks, until the rest of the workers returned. I went back to assembly line since the lid maker was more senior than me, and the company went back to getting 900 lids per shift. The regular lid maker didn't deserve to make the same money that I did, but I earned the privilege of going home early when I made the quota during those two weeks. If my union brothers would have found out about our arrangement, they would of had me fired or forced me to stay at the plant until the shift was over...so, I never told them. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
It is the same no matter who you are, or no matter how much you make. Janitors don't deserve $100,000 and even some CEO's don't deserve $100,000 for that matter. When I read that a CEO made 50 million bucks, I doubt he earn it, but it is possible, if through his decisions and directions the company made a billion bucks or avoided likely bankruptcy.
I must be a real night-owl since 20+ posts have been made before I can login again to read your response, but I worked until 7:00pm - the last person to leave again. That's O.K., the office is nice and quite after 5:00pm.
First, I read your story of how you survived and then prospered as you educated yourself and constructed your own career with much admiration. People like you, are the ones I look up to.
Second, my problem with people in general is that many of them feel the are entitled to a certain standard of living. They deserve a nice house, a new car, nightly entertainment. They don't have any concept that they need to EARN these things. Unions, or at least the 2 in which that I was a member, encourage their people to believe that they deserve a 10 percent raise every year. Everybody deserving a 10 percent raise, no matter how hard or how little they work isn't good for the company, but that's why so many companies have moved overseas.
When I worked in the barrel factory, the company wanted to shutdown the second shift for the holidays since business was slow. They asked for a single volunteer to work second shift running the press that makes the lids for the barrels. None of my union brethren were interested so I volunteered. The reason they needed the press to run two shifts is that they couldn't make enough lids to keep up with the barrel production. Some industrial engineers did study of the plant and recommended amounts of products that each machine can produce. Naturally the company established quotas, and for that press the number was 1800 lids per shift. Since it was a union shop, the company couldn't enforce these quotas, so the current operators usually made about 900 each shift. So on my first night, it is only me and the foreman, he showed me how to make a couple of lids, and how to change the dies. He told me the quota, and I went to work. Six and a half hours later, I approached the foreman and told him I was done. He couldn't believe it, so he went and counted the lids. He told me to go home. I protested and told him I needed the money to pay for school. I offered to make more lids until the shift was over. He told me to go home, and he would punch me out at the scheduled time. The next night, I made my quota in six hours and went home early again. The following night against company policy but with foreman's permission, I brought a small TV to watch while I worked. I still finished in 6 hours. I did this for two weeks, until the rest of the workers returned. I went back to assembly line since the lid maker was more senior than me, and the company went back to getting 900 lids per shift. The regular lid maker didn't deserve to make the same money that I did, but I earned the privilege of going home early when I made the quota during those two weeks. If my union brothers would have found out about our arrangement, they would of had me fired or forced me to stay at the plant until the shift was over...so, I never told them. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif
It is the same no matter who you are, or no matter how much you make. Janitors don't deserve $100,000 and even some CEO's don't deserve $100,000 for that matter. When I read that a CEO made 50 million bucks, I doubt he earn it, but it is possible, if through his decisions and directions the company made a billion bucks or avoided likely bankruptcy.
WVBill
Veteran Member
<font color=blue>"like another landmark in West Virgina for the wunder-Byrd. "</font color=blue>
hey.. hey... watch it there....
What's wrong with putting the USDA Cool and Cold Water Fisheries Research Facility in Byrd's West Virginia instead of Michigan. I mean just because they had to build a stadium-sized refrigerated building because it isn't cold enough in WV for the fish they're researching...
I live in WV, but can you say PORK?
of course PORK = POLITICS and Byrd isn't the only one.
hey.. hey... watch it there....
What's wrong with putting the USDA Cool and Cold Water Fisheries Research Facility in Byrd's West Virginia instead of Michigan. I mean just because they had to build a stadium-sized refrigerated building because it isn't cold enough in WV for the fish they're researching...
I live in WV, but can you say PORK?
of course PORK = POLITICS and Byrd isn't the only one.
Bird
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BigDave, you remind me of my first experience on a "salaried" job (after working on the farm, then mowing yards for spending money, and working in my Dad's service station, auto parts store, and bus station, of course). The local post office needed a part time substitute mail carrier just to work when one of the other mail carriers was off sick or on vacation during the summer; couldn't find anyone to take the job, so the postmaster had to get regional permission to give a teenager a temporary 3 month appointment (I was 17 at the time). The first day they called me to work was to deliver the parcel post for the town; took me 45 minutes (small town)/w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif and as I walked back in the back door of the post office, I met one of the other carriers going out and he asked what I was doing back there. I thought he was kidding and just laughed and told him I was through. Then the assistant postmaster came and told me, very pointedly, "Bird, delivering the parcel post is a two hour job!" And the first time I walked a route, I was back at the post office in about 5.5 hours (I thought I was kinda slow because I was just learning), but was again emphatically informed that walking a route takes 8 hours. I had to learn to fool around, walk slower, visit along the way, take "coffee" breaks, etc./w3tcompact/icons/frown.gif I never forgot the experience, and postal workers were not even union in those days./w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif
Wingnut
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<font color=blue>I could go on....but hey whats the point ?</font color=blue>
well ... the point is to get all the information, feelings, misinformation, intuition and everything else out of the table so that we can understand each other. I feel like you do ... that it's extremely unlikely that I will convince you to chance your stance one iota .... but, since you have been polite enough to avoid personal attacks (thank you), I am willing to continue yto communicate.
I'm sorry, like you, I'm unable to provide absolute proof at this time. I have never really cared enough about the facts of the "bad tires" to have done more than read the papers and watch the news ... and my concern has been more along the lines of "more money grubbing lawyers" than anything else.
Marbles? Well, I'm sure if I do a search of Lexus/Nexus or any other valid database, I could dig out some of the stories, but I will just tell you that this specifc thing was related to me by my best friends brother ... who is a Chrysler union worker ... some years ago. He thought it was funny (we were sitting around drinking), and confided that they commonly did this to "teach the company a lesson" when they were upset. In his view it was harmless (just annoying to the customer) but would cost the company money to do a warranty repair.
Somehow I get the impression that you think I'm pro company and anti-union. Well, you're completely wrong on point one and completely right on point 2.
Why do I think that unions have outlived their usefulness and become a cancer?
Well ... I'm from Canada where unions are much more powerful than they are in the US. Canadian unions are akin to the British unions that have darned near destroyed all manufacturing in the UK. The auto unions in the US always wait for the CAW in Canada to do it's blackmailing before they attack the auto companies ... since it seems as though Buzz has the biggest bat in the world. Unoins in Canada don't bother trying to hassle the company ... they immediately start trying to adversely effect the public .... and the best union at those tactics are: the posties (for some reason they always pick the Christmas season to strike, wonder why) and the teachers (who strike "for the children").
<font color=blue>I can tell you I have a better job because of the threat of a union</font color=blue> sure ...we all do .... if you want to look back a century. I think it's more interesting nowadays. It's perfectly legal for a union wanting to get their foot in somewhere to send doorknockers around ... they usually look like they were too rough for the Russian Mafia ... to tell you about the benefits of joining and why you just might want to vote their way. And, at the same time, it's illegal fo rthe company to tell the workers why unionizing might be a bad thing.
Marc Rich ... sure I've heard of him ... he's a crook that was "pardoned" by another crook. You want to use him as an example of American business? Please!
I've read Ravenswood and I, personally, think it's a poorer work of fiction than Atlas Shrugged ... but at least Ayn Rand claimed her book was a novel. Sorry, having read as much as I do leads me to NOT believe everything I see in print. ****** wrote books, so did Lenin, and Mao ... and even Hillary Clinton.
<font color=blue>A union can help promote safety on a job</font color=blue> The operative word in that statement is CAN .... sure they can. Unfortunately, I have never seen a case of unions working hard for their workers safety. Currently, in the news here, we have a library workers union looking for more money; a teachers union that wants respect (spelled more money); a cops union that wants the town to pay more of the medical costs (i.e. more money), an construction unions that want the towns to only allow contractors with unionized workforces to bid on jobs. Unions don't get fined for unsafe work practices - companies do. Unless it's posturing for the newspapers, there is no value in safety. Now - benefits arising from working unsafely ... that's something they all want!
<font color=blue>average UAW worker made $60,000 last year with overtime</font color=blue> Can you point me to where you got that information? The union-friendly media here in mid-Michigan frequently make the claim that the average UAW wage (in Michigan) is $100,000 (and I'm sure overtime, if it's ever available, is included in that figure).
I keep referring to a $100k janitor and I probably should amend that to be fork truck driver, since he's the example I always think of. There was one of those "isn't this a wonderful world" articles in the paper several years ago about a gentleman in Detroit. He's nearing retirement, has a 9th grade education, and drives a fork truck at the Ford plant in (Dearborn?). For the past 3 years, he has made in excess of $100,000 each year (yes, with overtime) and lives in a simple one room aparatment ... using the money to provide scholarships to poor black youths. If you're really interested, I'm sure I could find that in Lexus/Nexas as it was reported in both the local papers we get - reprinted from the Detroit Free Press. Since I drove a fork truck - for $300 a month, when I was young, that story has managed to stick in my mind.
<font color=blue> I heard it somewhere,but if you can prove it to me </font color=blue> I'm sorry, but you see I have a real problem with that statement. We are both using "hearsay" and I'm not sure why the burdon of proof lies more on me than on you. I watched the proceedings on the whole "every tire made for the Exploder is unsafe" with interest, and the reports stated many times that the tires came from different plants, and that other tires were involved, and that it was a design flaw ... and I believe about 10% of it. If you want "proof", I would suggest that you review the files from the NHTSA archives ... all the findings are recorded online. My point was that workers made the tires ... not some CEO sitting in a posh office somewhere ... and therefore should be AT LEAST as much to blame.
Finally, let's youch on <font color=blue>There is 2 sides to every coin,that is why they say negotiate and bargain in good faith. </font color=blue>
That's one of my favorite union phrases. Have you ever noticed ... I mean really noticed ... that the union always accuses management of that ... but management is not allowed to accuse the union leaders? By the way, since you brought up a Clinton cronie as an example of businessmen ... can we also look at how many union leaders have been convicted of Mafia activities? Hey, how about that New York Transit union ... the one with the no strike clause ... that was going to strike a couple of weeks ago?
OK ... I'll get off my anti-union haywagon for now ... can you tell that I'm still annoyed about the incident back in 1977? And my wife's car (and mental scars)?
I have quite a few friends here (mostly in the Goldwing bike club) who are union (or retired union) and I think they're fine people. People usually are. Mobs are not ... and people become mobs at time.
If you want to trade proof - actual facts gleaned from respected (by both of us) sources, I'd be happy to continue.
regards
pete
well ... the point is to get all the information, feelings, misinformation, intuition and everything else out of the table so that we can understand each other. I feel like you do ... that it's extremely unlikely that I will convince you to chance your stance one iota .... but, since you have been polite enough to avoid personal attacks (thank you), I am willing to continue yto communicate.
I'm sorry, like you, I'm unable to provide absolute proof at this time. I have never really cared enough about the facts of the "bad tires" to have done more than read the papers and watch the news ... and my concern has been more along the lines of "more money grubbing lawyers" than anything else.
Marbles? Well, I'm sure if I do a search of Lexus/Nexus or any other valid database, I could dig out some of the stories, but I will just tell you that this specifc thing was related to me by my best friends brother ... who is a Chrysler union worker ... some years ago. He thought it was funny (we were sitting around drinking), and confided that they commonly did this to "teach the company a lesson" when they were upset. In his view it was harmless (just annoying to the customer) but would cost the company money to do a warranty repair.
Somehow I get the impression that you think I'm pro company and anti-union. Well, you're completely wrong on point one and completely right on point 2.
Why do I think that unions have outlived their usefulness and become a cancer?
Well ... I'm from Canada where unions are much more powerful than they are in the US. Canadian unions are akin to the British unions that have darned near destroyed all manufacturing in the UK. The auto unions in the US always wait for the CAW in Canada to do it's blackmailing before they attack the auto companies ... since it seems as though Buzz has the biggest bat in the world. Unoins in Canada don't bother trying to hassle the company ... they immediately start trying to adversely effect the public .... and the best union at those tactics are: the posties (for some reason they always pick the Christmas season to strike, wonder why) and the teachers (who strike "for the children").
<font color=blue>I can tell you I have a better job because of the threat of a union</font color=blue> sure ...we all do .... if you want to look back a century. I think it's more interesting nowadays. It's perfectly legal for a union wanting to get their foot in somewhere to send doorknockers around ... they usually look like they were too rough for the Russian Mafia ... to tell you about the benefits of joining and why you just might want to vote their way. And, at the same time, it's illegal fo rthe company to tell the workers why unionizing might be a bad thing.
Marc Rich ... sure I've heard of him ... he's a crook that was "pardoned" by another crook. You want to use him as an example of American business? Please!
I've read Ravenswood and I, personally, think it's a poorer work of fiction than Atlas Shrugged ... but at least Ayn Rand claimed her book was a novel. Sorry, having read as much as I do leads me to NOT believe everything I see in print. ****** wrote books, so did Lenin, and Mao ... and even Hillary Clinton.
<font color=blue>A union can help promote safety on a job</font color=blue> The operative word in that statement is CAN .... sure they can. Unfortunately, I have never seen a case of unions working hard for their workers safety. Currently, in the news here, we have a library workers union looking for more money; a teachers union that wants respect (spelled more money); a cops union that wants the town to pay more of the medical costs (i.e. more money), an construction unions that want the towns to only allow contractors with unionized workforces to bid on jobs. Unions don't get fined for unsafe work practices - companies do. Unless it's posturing for the newspapers, there is no value in safety. Now - benefits arising from working unsafely ... that's something they all want!
<font color=blue>average UAW worker made $60,000 last year with overtime</font color=blue> Can you point me to where you got that information? The union-friendly media here in mid-Michigan frequently make the claim that the average UAW wage (in Michigan) is $100,000 (and I'm sure overtime, if it's ever available, is included in that figure).
I keep referring to a $100k janitor and I probably should amend that to be fork truck driver, since he's the example I always think of. There was one of those "isn't this a wonderful world" articles in the paper several years ago about a gentleman in Detroit. He's nearing retirement, has a 9th grade education, and drives a fork truck at the Ford plant in (Dearborn?). For the past 3 years, he has made in excess of $100,000 each year (yes, with overtime) and lives in a simple one room aparatment ... using the money to provide scholarships to poor black youths. If you're really interested, I'm sure I could find that in Lexus/Nexas as it was reported in both the local papers we get - reprinted from the Detroit Free Press. Since I drove a fork truck - for $300 a month, when I was young, that story has managed to stick in my mind.
<font color=blue> I heard it somewhere,but if you can prove it to me </font color=blue> I'm sorry, but you see I have a real problem with that statement. We are both using "hearsay" and I'm not sure why the burdon of proof lies more on me than on you. I watched the proceedings on the whole "every tire made for the Exploder is unsafe" with interest, and the reports stated many times that the tires came from different plants, and that other tires were involved, and that it was a design flaw ... and I believe about 10% of it. If you want "proof", I would suggest that you review the files from the NHTSA archives ... all the findings are recorded online. My point was that workers made the tires ... not some CEO sitting in a posh office somewhere ... and therefore should be AT LEAST as much to blame.
Finally, let's youch on <font color=blue>There is 2 sides to every coin,that is why they say negotiate and bargain in good faith. </font color=blue>
That's one of my favorite union phrases. Have you ever noticed ... I mean really noticed ... that the union always accuses management of that ... but management is not allowed to accuse the union leaders? By the way, since you brought up a Clinton cronie as an example of businessmen ... can we also look at how many union leaders have been convicted of Mafia activities? Hey, how about that New York Transit union ... the one with the no strike clause ... that was going to strike a couple of weeks ago?
OK ... I'll get off my anti-union haywagon for now ... can you tell that I'm still annoyed about the incident back in 1977? And my wife's car (and mental scars)?
I have quite a few friends here (mostly in the Goldwing bike club) who are union (or retired union) and I think they're fine people. People usually are. Mobs are not ... and people become mobs at time.
If you want to trade proof - actual facts gleaned from respected (by both of us) sources, I'd be happy to continue.
regards
pete
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Bird, your mail delivery story reminds me of my own first "non-kid" job. We were working 12-hour shifts in a factory, running parts for big gas turbines through an oven on a conveyer belt. One college kid on one end feeding them onto the belt, and another at the other end taking them off. Averaged about 130 degrees by that oven, and 12 hours is a long time to be on your feet. But we were young.
Anyway, one day we notice some guy standing there with a stopwatch.. and we though "Ut oh, we must be going too slow or something." I didn't see how that was possible, as I was putting the parts on the belt right next to each other.. the only way to have gone faster would have been to speed up the belt! Since it was such a mindless job, the only way we got any kicks out of it was by trying to do it to perfection.
Of course you see what's coming. We were told we were making all the other guys look bad and to slow the bleep down!!
Sigh. /w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif
Anyway, one day we notice some guy standing there with a stopwatch.. and we though "Ut oh, we must be going too slow or something." I didn't see how that was possible, as I was putting the parts on the belt right next to each other.. the only way to have gone faster would have been to speed up the belt! Since it was such a mindless job, the only way we got any kicks out of it was by trying to do it to perfection.
Of course you see what's coming. We were told we were making all the other guys look bad and to slow the bleep down!!
Sigh. /w3tcompact/icons/eyes.gif
