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<font color=red>People who earn a good living are very loathe to hand it over .</font color=red> Probably just my interpretation of what a good living is, but... In my travels, seems to be that quite a few people are eager to part with their earnings. Small and large ticket items. Couple of examples...near here, there are two gas stations on opposite sides of the road, one charges $1.62 for regular gas and the other charges $1.46, yet the higher priced station stays busier all of the time. Everyone I know in the car business says 9 out of 10 customers don't care what the price of a car is, just how much the payments are. Is that the real answer, most people are buying on credit so as long as they have x credit card payment and x amount monthly payments and they equal what they make, life is good? Almost as if higher prices and bad service are the acceptable norm now. Me, I'll stop at the lower priced station and want to know exactly how much I'm paying for anything that I purchase, but I feel like I'm in the minority on that issue.
 
   / Our Dependencies #22  
I agree with you dummy. I'll go out of my way to save money. Nothing makes me madder than someone saying what are you worried about you can afford it. Just because I can afford something doesn't mean I want to pay more than I have to for it.
 
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#23  
Bob, this is a truth that we are seeing unfold right before our own eyes.
Very good post!
KO
 
   / Our Dependencies #24  
sorry ... I should have been more specific ... I was referring to hand it over to the government for them to use in impoverishing the "rich" to give crumbs to the "poor".
I believe that once people have been exposed to making a good living ... and good is a relative term which would depend on where you are ... they're not likley going to want to go back to pulling rice stalks ....
In other words, the more of the world that gets into consumerism, the less time they'll devote to hating the "haves".
I have to totally agree with you and Richard on spending. Just because I can afford it doesn't mean I want to pay more than I think it's worth. I absolutely HATE those commercials that tell you what the monthly payments are .... I want to know the cost, the tax (which the governemnt will grab as a reward for my having saved for something I want) ... AND what the insurance rates are for that luxury! (and I plan my shopping trips around where I know the cheaper gas stations are!!!)
 
   / Our Dependencies #25  
KO ... although I disagree with W-H on many points, I have to agree on the knowledge part. He who controls the knowledge controls the heart of the population.
Do you think that all those muslims would hate us if they had knowledge of us beyond what their "religious leaders" tell them?
Do you think the average AfroAmerican would think "reparations" were due him/her if they had knowledge of history beyond what Sharpton and other "religious leaders" tell them?

Religion has not, unfortunately, been a great healer ... but, instead, a methodology for a few (in my opinion, conmen) to imprint their beliefs on the many.
We have Catholics and Protestants killing each other in Ireland. We have Sihks and Muslims and Hindus killing and maiming each other in India (and around Asia Minor). We have muslims of different sects killing each other (Iraq and almost every other muslim nation). And we have muslims everywhere murdering christians to get their alotment of virgins or whatever.
Unfortunately, our history has shown that we're really only comfortable (and civilized) in a tribal context ... whenever one is away from their "tribe", they lose their inhibitions and "civilization". Which is why we keep congregating in tribes ... fraternal lodges, social groups, work groups, and now webgroups. One world ain't gonna happen for a long, long time.
Gosh, I guess I'm a lot more pessimistic that W-H!
But, to end on an upbeat note .... I have to say that I disagree with the "we're not better off" part of your response to W-H. The statistics I see show crime down, teen pregnancies down, drug use down ... in general (some places ARE worse than others, apparently). Some parewnts are rediscovering that their chaildren ARE their responsibility and no longer depend on the It Takes A Village Idiots.
We've weathered a lot of storms ... and "history repeats itself" is an axiom ... not a scientific law. We may yet get things right!
 
   / Our Dependencies #26  
Ohio? Would that be Marysville?
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   / Our Dependencies #27  
Richard,
i'm not sure our manufacturing base is become obsolete ... I think it's a case of too many people wanting more for their time and talent than they give back.
When I have to pay $40k +++ for a Suburban because the janitors at GM get $100k a year .... then I start (or continue) to look for a vehicle that's more dependable and costs less.
Back in Canada, the tariff on a pair of jeans from Hong Kong was $17 ... to bring it up to the same price that the Canadian manufacturers charged in order to pay their staff. And the quality the Canadian garment industry put out was lower than the imports ... so even with the tariff people would buy the imported stuff.
The news reports here in Mid-Michigan ... where a lot of the automotive fcatories are ... repeatedly report tha tthe average salary of GM employees is $100k. I dunno .... seems to me when you price yourself out of the market ... and repeatly use blackmail (strikes) to get more ... the manufacturer is going to take the factory elsewhere.
I don;t know if the US will fall .... but it's certainly working hard to beome another Sweden (where your taxes can easily exceed your income!)
 
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Alot of the problems with "religion". Is the fact that the followers (of bad leaders) do not have the knowledge of the religion. Very few religions actually condone murder. Yet as you have said they're all out killing each other. So knowledge IS power! I just hope the knowledgable ones are also the SMART ones.


<font color=blue>But, to end on an upbeat note .... I have to say that I disagree with the "we're not better off" part of your response to W-H. The statistics I see show crime down, teen pregnancies down, drug use down ... in general (some places ARE worse than others, apparently). Some parewnts are rediscovering that their chaildren ARE their responsibility and no longer depend on the It Takes A Village Idiots.</font color=blue>

I don't believe the stats. I think it's all part of our feel-good governments way of making everything seem perfect. All you have to do is talk to the kids of today and just see what is really going on. Talk to people that work with them everyday. When teachers get slapped, punched and poisoned, I don't think it's getting better. Then the kid gets suspended and in comes ma and pa saying you aren't going to suspend my little Johnny. I've been there and watched it happen. Go to schools and observe what's being talked about. It's scary.

For the sake of our youth I do hope that the stats are correct.

<font color=blue>We've weathered a lot of storms ... and "history repeats itself" is an axiom ... not a scientific law. We may yet get things right!</font color=blue>

I hope you are correct.

KO
 
   / Our Dependencies #29  
I agree with you wingnut. I think the unions are 99% of the problem. Sure people deserve to be paid a fair wage but when a non-educated union worker is pulling down six figure incomes for cleaning toilets something is wrong. It all comes back to greed again. Everyone these days, from the individual to the corporate level, looks at making the big kill. They don't look at it anymore as working x amount of years and saving, etc. And who blames them when you see your life savings go up in smoke on the worldcoms and enrons. Too much living for today and nobody thinking about the consequences of tomorrow. Gone are the days when you saved and made a modest percentage on your investments. Everybody wants to double their money every year now. Alot of problems with the way things are for sure.

I think our govt. is the biggest culprits. This land deal of mine is a perfect example. I'm probably going to sell this 250 acres for a huge profit. It's not something I wanted to do but something they are basically forcing me to do to get a higher tax base and put up a housing. No I don't have to but I'm sure as heck not going to pay the taxes every year just to make a point. Instead of cutting back and making do with what they have the govt., on all levels, just keeps expanding and looking for new places to get the money from, ie more taxes. And forget changing it when it costs millions anymore to run a campaign. The average Joe's like us are never going to be able to be in office and make the common sense decisions. Too many people on the gravy train for sure.

I'm not a pessimist for sure. I work hard and try to change things as much as I can. But it doesn't take much looking to see the writing on the wall. Just to show you what I'm talking about the following is an email that I got. I enquired about a ranch out in Idaho in anticipation of this other land selling. To avoid more taxes I'm going to have to re-invest it. Here's what the realtor wrote me back when I asked him about how the place cash flowed.

Dr. Richard Leavitt,
The owner of the ranch has never told me what he earns off of the property. As I have been in ranch sales over the years, most
ranch properties don't cash flow but offer a life style and other attractions for the buyers. The seller farms approximately 200 acres
in hay and pasture. There is water for 183 acres from a private ditch. It's located 2-3 miles from the mountains. The seller has raised 200 mother cows, calves with some outside pasture leased.
Sincerely,
Fred Glemser
----- Original Message -----
From: Dr. Richard Leavitt
To: glemser
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 6:07 AM
Subject: Re: 1080 acre ranch


Hello,

What I would really like to know are the specifics on the land. What was farmed, what were the yields, how many acres can be farmed, crp possibilities, how many cattle it supports, income from the ranch, etc. How close to the mountains? What I really want to see is how the place cash flows.

Thanks,
Richard


Pretty sad to me that even the realtor trying to sell the place is basically saying it's not going to make any money you're just buying the place for fun. That says to me we're overcharging for this place as it's not going to make any money.
 
   / Our Dependencies #30  
yep ... reminds you of the old joke about a farmer winning a million bucks in the lottery. When asked what he would do with it he replied "keep farming until it's all gone"

I too blame the government. We've gone from small government supplying essential (well, in their mind) services to government for government's sake. 'We the people" my eye!
 

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