Over engineering

   / Over engineering #1  

Ridgewalker

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I work in many different manufacturing environments and this story really rings true...anyone seen it before? Got one like it? If so pass it on. I have a couple of other good ones I can share that I saw first hand so if you want to hear them pony up!

A toothpaste factory had a problem, they sometimes shipped boxes without the tube inside. This was due to the way the production line was set up. People with experience in designing production lines will tell you how difficult it is to have everything happen with timing so precise that every single unit coming out of it is perfect 100% of the time. Small variations in the environment (which can't be controlled in a cost-effective fashion) mean you must have quality assurance checks smartly distributed across the line so that customers at the supermarket don't get upset & buy another product. Understanding how important that was the CEO of the toothpaste factory got the top people in the company together to start a new project. They decided they would hire an external engineering company to solve their empty boxes problem, as their engineering department was already too stretched to take on any extra effort. The project followed the usual process: budget and project sponsor allocated, RFP, third-parties selected, and six months (and $8 million) later they had a fantastic solution on time, on budget, high quality and everyone in the project had a great time. They solved the problem by using high-tech precision scales that would sound a bell and flash lights whenever a toothpaste box would weigh less than it should. The line would stop, and someone had to walk over and yank the defective box out of it pressing another button when done to re-start the line. A while later, the CEO decides to have a look at the ROI of the project: amazing results! No empty boxes ever shipped out of the factory after the scales were put in place. Very few customer complaints. That's some money well spent he says, before looking closely at the other statistics in the report. It turns out the number of defects picked up by the scales was 0 after three weeks of production use. It should've been picking up at least a dozen a day, so maybe there was something wrong with the report. After some investigation the engineers came back saying the report was actually correct. The scales really weren't picking up any defects because all boxes that got to that point in the conveyor belt were good. Puzzled, the CEO travels down to the factory, and walks up to the part of the line where the precision scales were installed. A few feet before the scale, there was a $20 desk fan, blowing the empty boxes out of the belt and into a bin. "Oh, that" says one of the workers "one of the guys put it there 'cause he was tired of walking over every time the bell rang".
 
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   / Over engineering #2  
:laughing:That's about right :laughing::laughing:
 
   / Over engineering #3  
Ohh.. Thats a good one.

Sad thing is, as i was reading the description of the problem, i was thinking about installing a scale inline.. Now where's my $8 million :laughing:




///Occam's something or other :cool:
 
   / Over engineering #4  
I was thinking along the line of a puff of air. A friend had a project that needed to remove badly shaped or broken crackers before packaging. If they were not square they too were puffed off the line. The best source for alot of process improvements is the person who has done that job for the last ten years. Many are just happy that someone wants their input.
 
   / Over engineering #5  
I've got one that's not about over engineering, but using a bit of common sense to solve a problem. Al, my neighbor at the lake, worked as a machinist for a company that made various pills. They used a large rotary presses to form the powder into the pill shape. One of the companies new products was going to be a two color pill. They started a production run and saw that some of the green from the top layer was ending up on the white bottom layer and the white was also showing up on the green.

The plant management and engineers tried to figure out how to fix the problem. They even flew in engineers from the company that built the press and even then no one could figure out what was causing the colors to mix. While all of the engineers were standing around scratching their heads Al happened to walk by and asked them what was going on. They told him what was happening and he stood there thinking about it for a while before telling them he needed someone to run down the street to the drug store to buy him four tooth brushes. Of course everyone looked at him like he was crazy, but he eventually convinced them to sent someone down to the store.

He spent a little while rigging up the brushes and then told them to fire up the press. The pills were perfect. What all of the college educated engineers had spent days trying to figure out, Al, who never went to high school, and couldn't even read, fixed in about an hour.

He had positioned the brushes so they would clean any residual powder off of the dies just prior to the powder for the next pill going in.
 
   / Over engineering #6  
I worked as an engineer in the auto industry for 27 years. When we had a production problem I always used to get the line workers away from their boss and asked them point blank, "what is wrong and what should I do?"

First I knew their boss would deny any problem existed and second, I knew the workers knew every detail of the operation and knew how to fix it and wanted to fix it for their own job security.

We learned a lot of math in engineering school, but they don't teach common sense. :laughing:
 
   / Over engineering #7  
There is no "Over engineering".
Think about it for more than 1/2 second and you'll get it.

There in poor engineering, good enough engineering, adequate engineering and good engineering.
Elegant solutions are often "best" in many dimensions, e.g. cost, simplicity, time to implement, etc.

SOMETIMES some attributes are so way out of balance with the rest of the system that SOME people yell "Over engineered", but in fact it is poorly engineered.

Yeah, sorry to be pedantic about it, but when Ya ARE one it cuts Ya (-:

WRT the base post; SOMETIMES a complex and expensive solution "stimulates" resourcefulness - so what ?
That doesn't mean that the workers on the line are any smarter than the consultants that walked out of there with $8x10^6, quite the contrary.
 
   / Over engineering #8  
I've seen that one before. It's a great story and very true!!! :laughing:
 
   / Over engineering #9  
Blah Wah Bla Bla Bla

Engineers are stupid.

Blah Wah Bla Bla Bla

If only the stupid engineer who designed that part would have made the gusset stronger, it wouldn't have broke.

Blah Wah Bla Bla Bla

The tractor that broke in two should have been built with a frame. The stupid engineer that agreed with greedy accountant to not have a frame is personally responsible for the fact that the loose bell housing bolts caused the casting to crack.

Blah Wah Bla Bla Bla

If my son becomes an engineer, I will disown him.

Blah Wah Bla Bla Bla

Not only are engineers stupid, they won't listen

Blah Wah Bla Bla Bla

The transmission should be stronger. Those guys are idiots.

Blah Wah Bla Bla Bla


........ This song could go on for days. I can see the spiritual chant of the anti-engineers in the medicine lodge, with sage smoke billowing up, clearing their mind so that they can see visions of perfect devices in the cloud. The college educated drawing and sculpture artists could have a viewing port into the lodge, sensing the visions of the designs through telepathy, rendering them in 2D and 3D.

Final design adjustments could be made by reading the entrails of field mice.

The religion of "common sense" is just that(a religion). It is practiced by those who choose to not spend the time to actually evaluate problems.

In the first parable(it is unlikely to be an actual event), why didn't the operator suggest his solution when they had the problem? Did he not care? Are you saying that every "engineer" who walked through the facility failed to listen? Was the operator so disinterested in the company's performance that he didn't know there was an issue(The fix was easy)? Was it only laziness that drove him to apply his deep intellect to the obvious and easy solution to the problem?

You all illustrate why people choose to become anything but engineers. Only the most foolhardy and idealistic purse the profession. School would have been so much easier(and socially entertaining) if I had just skipped calculus, engineering physics, transport phenomena, etc. etc. I could have simply gotten an art/business/sewing degree, and used common sense to design things.

It makes one chuckle(or something that sounds similar).

Chris
 
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   / Over engineering #10  
Blah Wah Bla Bla Bla

Engineers are stupid.

Blah Wah Bla Bla Bla

If only the stupid engineer who designed that part would have made the gusset stronger, it wouldn't have broke.

Blah Wah Bla Bla Bla

The tractor that broke in two should have been built with a frame. The stupid engineer that agreed with greedy accountant to not have a frame is personally responsible for the fact that the loose bell housing bolts caused the casting to crack.

Blah Wah Bla Bla Bla

If my son becomes an engineer, I will disown him.

Blah Wah Bla Bla Bla

Not only are engineers stupid, they won't listen

Blah Wah Bla Bla Bla

The transmission should be stronger. Those guys are idiots.

Blah Wah Bla Bla Bla


........ This song could go on for days. I can see the spiritual chant of the anti-engineers in the medicine lodge, with sage smoke billowing up, clearing their mind so that they can see visions of perfect devices in the cloud. The college educated drawing and sculpture artists could have a viewing port into the lodge, sensing the visions of the designs through telepathy, rendering them in 2D and 3D.

Final design adjustments could be made by reading the entrails of field mice.

The religion of "common sense" is just that(a religion). It is practiced by those who choose to not spend the time to actually evaluate problems.

In the first parable(it is unlikely to be an actual event), why didn't the operator suggest his solution when they had the problem? Did he not care? Are you saying that every "engineer" who walked through the facility failed to listen? Was the operator so disinterested in the company's performance that he didn't know there was an issue(The fix was easy)? Was it only laziness that drove him to apply his deep intellect to the obvious and easy solution to the problem?

You all illustrate why people choose to become anything but engineers. Only the most foolhardy and idealistic purse the profession. School would have been so much easier(and socially entertaining) if I had just skipped calculus, engineering physics, transport phenomena, etc. etc. I could have simply gotten an art/business/sewing degree, and used common sense to design things.

It makes one chuckle(or something that sounds similar).

Chris




+1 :thumbsup:



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