grm61
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You would need to be looking at the MF1648 to get anywhere near the loader specs of the DK 40
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You would need to be looking at the MF1648 to get anywhere near the loader specs of the DK 40
So I found a 2009 Kioti DK35SE with FEL, synchronized transmission, and about 2000 hours (give or take) for $14,500 from one dealer... but another Kioti dealer is telling me that he never liked the DK35 because it is underpowered for the size of frame. He is suggesting I go with a CK35 with hydrostat. I'm concerned the CK line may not be heavy enough for plowing/snow removal but he assures me it is.
So many considerations.
So many considerations.
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The DK35 has 38hp. The CK35 has 34hp. You decide, but I think that that someone was just trying to make a sale with what they had, or should I say because of what they don't have.
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I think that is a bit high for 2k hour machine.
So you keep going back to the 35 horse frame size...Is that what you want??
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Starting to wonder if one of these may be a better solution to my planned use situation lol
Starting to wonder if one of these may be a better solution to my planned use situation lol
Bart, I always considered Russia a little more Asian than European, and Iran to be part of the middle east. I may be wrong on both counts. I trust you are certain, sorry. I don't think all the countries in Western Europe combined have as much NG as either the US or Canada. Are Russia and Iran Part of the European Federation, and do they use the Euro as Currency?
61, I think they started making gas tractors around 1900 and the models I am talking about (Ford 2000, 3000) are about 1975's. There are tons of them out there and it is not hard to locate one in very good condition. That would put them almost twice as close to "new" as "old" as far as I am concerned. They are also plentiful, and with a little patience and a little know-how, one in excellent condition is rather easy to locate. Also, parts availability will usually equal or exceed a new model. I can not think of any other "newer" gas tractor that I would recommend. There is one much "older" one thqt I would however. That would be the 1951 or 52 Ford 8n. When I said "older" in the other post, what I meant was : "not new" . I am very sorry to have confused you or anyone else. I am confused myself now to have learned from Bart that Iran is part of Europe. One sure can learn new stuff on this site.
Having owned and/or operated and maintained many new diesels, newer gas, and old gas tractors, I can say without a doubt that the newer gas ones are the easiest to work on and maintain. That may be a concern to the novice operator. Maintenance these days is just an afterthought to designers. Their goal is just to use their 3d-CAD models to squeeze as many parts and features as they can into as small of space as possible with little or no thought to ever changing any of them parts.
61, I think they started making gas tractors around 1900 and the models I am talking about (Ford 2000, 3000) are about 1975's. There are tons of them out there and it is not hard to locate one in very good condition. That would put them almost twice as close to "new" as "old" as far as I am concerned. They are also plentiful, and with a little patience and a little know-how, one in excellent condition is rather easy to locate. Also, parts availability will usually equal or exceed a new model. I can not think of any other "newer" gas tractor that I would recommend. There is one much "older" one thqt I would however. That would be the 1951 or 52 Ford 8n. When I said "older" in the other post, what I meant was : "not new" . I am very sorry to have confused you or anyone else. I am confused myself now to have learned from Bart that Iran is part of Europe. One sure can learn new stuff on this site.
Having owned and/or operated and maintained many new diesels, newer gas, and old gas tractors, I can say without a doubt that the newer gas ones are the easiest to work on and maintain. That may be a concern to the novice operator. Maintenance these days is just an afterthought to designers. Their goal is just to use their 3d-CAD models to squeeze as many parts and features as they can into as small of space as possible with little or no thought to ever changing any of them parts.
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I think u also need to add MF 2605 to your short list. Unless u don't have a reliable dealer close. I have a 39 acre place and its more than enough tractor for what I do, and its easy on fuel.
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Russia is definitely in Europe. I never said Iran was in Europe...Iran is technically Western Asia, but borders three European countries. I simply said the world's largest reserves are in Russia, and Iran....nothing on this side of the pond is remotely close.
The U.S. has proven NG reserves of 9.46T cubic meters. Russia has 48.7T and Iran has 33.6T. Canada has 1.75T.
The whole world has 187T identified, and Russia, and Iran have darned near half....throw in Iran's neighbor Turkmenistan, and you are at half. The U.S. and Canada have about 1/18th of the known world supply...far fom the claim you're making..
You're still recommending a 40+ year old machine and suggesting that with a little know-how the OP can find a good one, but he already said he doesn't have that know-how. An 8N is a nice little tractor, but a royal pain to mow ith not having live hydraulics, or a live PTO...been there, done that, and it's not what a newbie needs to make his life easier. Further, anything without a ROPS isn't as safe for someone new to tractors, and equipment in general.
If you really think new machines are built with little thought for servicing them, you must not have looked at anything new recently. They have all sorts of things that make life easier....having all the service items on one side, filters that are easier to access, fuel systems that are easier to bleed, etc, etc. having owned tractors made from 1947 to 2012, there's no question which was easiest to work on....the newest one.
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I had no idea there was that much proven reserves of NG across the globe. That sounds like almost 2000 years supply Somewhere I had heard that the puny little US reserve alone was good for over 100 years (I assume, at our current rate of consumption). Some may think we are doing well for our decendants, a few centuries down the road, by paying thru the nose now to burn petroleum oil. I bet they would have been even more thankful if we left them some of that. I know for sure they would be happier with the air/atmosphere that would result from far-cleaner burning NG usage. Maybe, as the last drop is burnt, at a cost per gallon that I cant even imagine, they will start building us some new NG tractors. Just before they do, the value of diesel powered tractors will free fall as they can not be converted to run on NG as a gas engine can. I guess it all depends if this guy is looking 4-5 years down the road, or a little longer. At least steel/iron scrap prices should be higher then, so the diesel-powered machines will never become completely worthless. All I know is, as soon as I am able to scrape together an extra couple of grand, I am going to take my oldest tractor (1941 AC model C) and convert it to NG. That one is also the easiest to service of all I own, with the newest being a JD 2004 diesel (took over an hour to change the starter on that one due to some wrench clearance issues, but oil / filter change times are nearly identical). The old crank handle for the C has never needed any service.
I agree that some control was lost in the service department after WW2. You have to remove the fuel line to get the oil filter changed on my 8N and that is a PIA. Eventually they got those things straightened away however and the oil changes on the Ford 2000 / 3000 / 4000 / 5000 are just as easy as the later model Deere's.
Maybe that fella can get some advice here on what to look for in a newer model gas tractor, to determine condition. That is not an especially difficult task. A middle-school education will usually suffice. Better yet, find some old, retired, farmer or tractor hobbiest to take along (there are a ton of them out there).
Given your vast knowledge of proven reserves, etc. Would you be able to take a stab at what the US reserves of oil are, and the world reserves? How long would that last at current rate of consumption, and how long if adjusted for population / usage growth? If it is more than 200 or so years, then why is diesel fuel so expensive today?
I agree that some control was lost in the service department after WW2. You have to remove the fuel line to get the oil filter changed on my 8N and that is a PIA. Eventually they got those things straightened away however and the oil changes on the Ford 2000 / 3000 / 4000 / 5000 are just as easy as the later model Deere's.
Maybe that fella can get some advice here on what to look for in a newer model gas tractor, to determine condition. That is not an especially difficult task. A middle-school education will usually suffice. Better yet, find some old, retired, farmer or tractor hobbiest to take along (there are a ton of them out there).
Given your vast knowledge of proven reserves, etc. Would you be able to take a stab at what the US reserves of oil are, and the world reserves? How long would that last at current rate of consumption, and how long if adjusted for population / usage growth? If it is more than 200 or so years, then why is diesel fuel so expensive today?
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