PACCAR

/ PACCAR #21  
Not sure but I was thinking that the Paccar engines came from DAF or a DAF subsiderery?

PACCAR owns DAF (see the logo in the upper left corner):
PACCAR - DAF Trucks N.V.

PACCAR also owns Leyland Trucks (in the UK) as well as a few other truck divisions:
PACCAR Inc

Most of the trucking industry started consolidating years ago. Here are some more examples.

Navistar:
International Trucks
(as a side note they also build the CAT trucks and the Ford F-650/750 chassis)
Mahindra Trucks
Monaco Coach RV
Holiday Rambler RV
IC Bus
International Bus
Neostar Bus

Volvo Group:
Volvo Trucks
Mack Trucks
Renault Trucks
UV Trucks
Prevost Bus
Nova Bus

Daimler Trucks:
Freightliner Trucks
Western Star Trucks
Thomas Built Buses
Sprinter Trucks
Sterling Trucks (last new trucks built in 2009 but still have support centers)
Detroit Diesel Corporation


And none of this even takes into account their other product categories!
 
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/ PACCAR #22  
All right, lets start some history lesson:

DAF is: van Doornes Aanhangwagen fabriek in 1932. Or Van Doornes trailer factory. later the abbreviation became van Doornes Automobile Factory when trucks and cars were added to the product line. Because of war threat and nothing available, DAF started to do 6x4 conversions on trucks that were originally 4x2 to enable them to be used as artillery tractor. the construction was very much alike a grader walking beam axle, with a single differential.

Van Doorne built its first truck in 1949, powered by Hercules gas engines or Perkins diesels. in 1956 they opened their own engine plant, using a Leyland license as a starting point, but soon their own developments progressed on this basis. The DAF 475 and 575 engines were Leyland designs, converted to Metric. They shared the same issues as any British engines: the cork gaskets that were allways sweating a bit of oil.

In 1975 the automobile division of DAF was sold to Volvo, where a DAF 77 prototype was taken into serial production as Volvo 343. In the late 80's they started building the Volvo 440 there, which was the predecessor of the S and V40 currently sold worldwide. Later on, Volvo put the Dutch factory on its own feet, keeping 50% shares, the other 50% held by Mitsubishi who produced the Carisma there, for the European market (on the same platform as Volvos V40) After Ford took over Volvo cars, Volvo production was moved to the Volvo plant in Belgium and the shares in the Dutch plant sold off.

From 1972 to 1981 International Harvester held a 33% stake in DAF, and in 1987 DAF merged with Leyland,

in the early 80 s DAF had great succes in the Paris Dakar rally, by racer Jan de Rooij who owned a large fleet of DAF trucks and also was the prime transporter of new DAF trucks to dealers throughout Europe. In those days they built the famous 615 620 and 825 engines, which are very popular in 3rd world countries because they can take more abuse than any other engine.
Jan de Rooij put the company into his son Gerards hands, but they changed their fleet to Iveco, and won 2012's dakar rally with an Iveco.

In 1993 DAF allmost went bankrupt followed by a management buy-out, but was sold in 1996 to the Paccar group. This lead to the discontinuation of the famous DAF 620 and 825 engines the same year, Paccar did not want to invest in Euro 1 emissions for the on-road market, and TIER 1 for the offroad market (DAF industrial engines were very popular marine engines, as well as used in Werklust wheel loaders) Paccar replaced them by Cummins 6BT's with a Paccar valve cover. DAF only built the 8.65 and 11.6 liter engines, which evolved into the current 9.2 liter Paccar PR and 12.9 liter Paccar MX engines.

in 1996 the US market wasnt ready for the idea of a Paccar engine in a Kenny or Pete. Also the 90's era was the era of freedom for OEMs, where you could throw in any engine, hook up a throttle cable, fuel line and battery cable and drive off, and any mechanic could work on any engine. When the engines were more and more computerised, the advantage of using Cummins or Cat because the mechanic already knew them, was vanishing because you needed a laptop to read out error codes. That meant that there was and advantage of using your own engine, serviced by your own field service technicians. So in 2010 they brought out the brand new Paccar MX13 engine in the USA. Dont know if they also sell the PR9 in Kennies and Petes.


About the DAF 620 and 825 engines, we built them into our wheel loaders at work, ever since the early days untill 1996 when they discontinued the smaller range. Nowadays many people from Africa come asking for old 16t loaders to be used in gold mines: They are becoming scarce, but they gladly take a machine with 27.000hrs if it has a DAF engine: When we dont have one and offer a post 1996 model with Cummins 6CT they smile and say no... The DAF engines could eat a handfull of desert sand and keep their compression, they just go on... a Cummins is a good engine if taken care off, but with the African service mindset, they just die early too...

So you could say that DAF (now Paccar) is africas most popular engine, which says enough about their endurance.
 
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#23  
two very helpful posts. I remember the DAF car, though I don't think it was ever imported.
Just remember if it's Dutch,it's probably high quality, like Germany.
MX13 would do nicely in my Suburban... :)
 
/ PACCAR #24  
two very helpful posts. I remember the DAF car, though I don't think it was ever imported.
I dont think so... DAF sold their car division because the image of the small car with Variomatic (belt variator automatic transmission) held the truck division down... They were called the "***** shaker with jaretells drive" :D

They were ok for the price though, and VERY lean, but not something that would appeal to the American buyer ;)

MX13 would do nicely in my Suburban... :)
you could make do with only three gears as the MX13 delivers constant torque from 1000-1400rpm and constant power from 1400-1900rpm :)
http://www.daf.eu/SiteCollectionDocuments/Infosheets/2012/Engines/MX-engines-infosheet-EN.pdf
 
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#25  
you could make do with only three gears as the MX13 delivers constant torque from 1000-1400rpm and constant power from 1400-1900rpm :)[/QUOTE]

I'd go back to a Powerglide if I could get 2500 foot pounds of torque :D :thumbsup:
 
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#27  
Slip-n-slide with Powerglide.

yeah, but with 2500 foot pounds of torque, the sliding and slipping would be the rear tires...:thumbsup:

grew up with too many old Chevies, 55, 56, 57, and the greatest guzzler of them all, a 348 58.
 
/ PACCAR #28  
Renze:
Great history post!

daugen:
How ironic that you and Renze are discussing this -- I just noticed that he is from Holland (the country) and you are from Holland (the town in PA)!
 
/ PACCAR #29  
yeah, but with 2500 foot pounds of torque, the sliding and slipping would be the rear tires...:thumbsup:

grew up with too many old Chevies, 55, 56, 57, and the greatest guzzler of them all, a 348 58.

I drove my Mom's '55 Chevy for a few years. It had the "Blue flame 6" with an iron case Powerglide. It drove surprisingly well in the snow, which I attribute to the car's weight, low HP of the inline 6, wherever peak torque occured in the RPM band, and that slushbox of a tranny. The biggest gripe I had with it were the blasted vacuum powered windshield wipers.

My parent's also had a '62 Chevy Impala with a 327 and aluminum case Powerglide. I hated that car because it handled like crap and for other reasons; but I couldn't destroy the tranny with repeated neutral drops.
 
/ PACCAR #30  
Tried out a 13 liter paccar motor. Not overly impressed. doggy, smoked(which they're no supposed to) and the inside of the pipe was balck with the goo running down the outside of the stack. I gross at least 100,000lbs. I also tried out the 13 liter mack motor. MP9? Can't remember the model#. That out pulled and got approx 3/10mpg better. But when all was all said and done I ended up with an International 990ix w/ 15 liter Cummins.


http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/asset.php?fid=255779&uid=85941&d=1331645083
 
/ PACCAR #31  
Wikipeida has an entry that says DAF bought a 19% stake in Tatra (amongst other supply details). Hmm -- now what kind of a mash up with a KW could you end up with the....

A couple of others:


Volvo: Nissan diesel (ND).
Toyota: Hino.

Meritor is a supplier. The truck business is significantly made up of suppliers, much like the auto industry. I bet many of the same suppliers. Isn't Dana-Eaton the same company? And its hard to not use Bosch, Mitsubishi, etc.
 
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#32  
Wikipeida has an entry that says DAF bought a 19% stake in Tatra (amongst other supply details). Hmm -- now what kind of a mash up with a KW could you end up with the....

Tatra seems well respected; a kind of Czech Oshkosh. They certainly make the same military type vehicles. Seems lots of folk want a piece of their action:

Navistar & Tatra
Tatra T815-7 (T817)Tatra and Navistar Defence introduced at Eurosatory Exposition in Paris, France (Jun 14-18 2010) the results of their strategic alliance since October 2009, the models ATX6 (universal container carrier) and ATX8 (troop carrier)[45] The vehicles appear to be based on Tatra T815-7 (T817) 6×6, 8×8 chassis(see pics here),[46] suspension and cabins while using Navistar engines and other componets.[47] Under the deal Navistar Defence and Tatra A.S. will market the vehicles in North America, which includes sales to the United States military and foreign military sales financed by the United States government. Tatra will source parts and components through Navistar’s global parts and support network for Tatra trucks delivered in markets outside of North America as well as market Navistar-Tatra vehicles around the world in their primary markets.
 
/ PACCAR #33  
Tatra used to be partially owned by Terex, which tried to introduce these trucks to the US military as ATC (American truck corporation) but they couldnt sell trucks and quit. the Navistar deal, i doubt if ever any trucks with Navistar engines were ever made.
With DAF they have them out to the public, but somehow they arent really pushed by dealers yet. Perhaps they wait for the update of the DAF 85 cab, alike the recently introduced XF105 cab.
 
/ PACCAR #34  
Back in the 70's, Terex was GM's construction equipment division competing with Cat, Deere, and others. Their equipment was always painted a sickly green similar to Euclid haul trucks of the period.
 
/ PACCAR #35  
Back in the 70's, Terex was GM's construction equipment division competing with Cat, Deere, and others. Their equipment was always painted a sickly green similar to Euclid haul trucks of the period.

GM owned Euclid from the mid 50's into the late 60's when Euclid was sold to White. GM then formed Terex.
 
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/ PACCAR #36  
Ah that explains the same green color then. I knew White owned Euclid before White went belly up. What's left of Euclid is now owned by Hitachi. Euclid Trucks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The first off-road dump truck I ever saw was a Euclid in the early 60's that was driving on the Valley Highway (now I-25) near the Denver University campus. Yes, the machine was being driven to its next job site instead of being hauled there. It was probably a 25 - 30 ton model at best; but it sure seemed huge at the time. I can remember seeing the engine fan spinning through the exposed side panels. I was probably 5 or 6 at the time.
 
/ PACCAR #37  
GM owned Euclid from the mid 50's into the late 60's when Euclid was sold to White. GM then formed Terex.

The company i work for, developed an ADT in 1978. It initially had a Detroit engine and Allison transmission, and there were negotiations about a joint venture with Euclid, and 5 of them were trialed in the USA. When Euclid was purchased by Clark in 1984 they quickly developed a Cummins/Clark driveline in order to keep the deal, but shortly a year later Clark merged with Volvo which already had a line of ADTs so the 5 trial models were sent back to Holland. This, together with the general downturn of the construction equipment market in the 80s, led to the bankruptcy of our company.
 

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