Parts Advice

[jcoleman1953]

Hi all - Quick question. I need a set of filters for my New Holland TC30; HST, hydraulic, oil. Most of the online prices I see are within a few bucks (give or take) of my local dealer, and by the time I factor in shipping and time, I might as well just drive over and get them there. However, there is an outfit called Baldwin Filters that is substantially lower in price, almost half in some cases. My gut tells me that anything that low in price has to be some cutrate inferior product. On the other hand, maybe if filters are all they do, that's why they can make them so inexpensive. Does anybody have any experience with Baldwin Filter's products, and are they comparable to manufacturer brands? Thanks.

 

[jeff9366]

Worth your time.

VIDEO: Napa Filters VS Kubota Filters - Do you need OEM filters? - YouTube


YOUR LOCATION SHOULD BE PART OF YOUR T-B-N PROFILE.

 

[majorwager]

Agree Kubota filters are superior,, no requirement to disclose location unless poster desires to do so. Location police have no authority

 

[Shaneard]

Agree Kubota filters are superior,, no requirement to disclose location unless poster desires to do so. Location police have no authority

I wouldn't get Kubota filters since you have a New Holland, you will have a lot of trouble trying to find the right ones. Go to the NH dealer and be done with it, you'll sleep better at night.

 

[rScotty]

Hi all - Quick question. I need a set of filters for my New Holland TC30; HST, hydraulic, oil. Most of the online prices I see are within a few bucks (give or take) of my local dealer, and by the time I factor in shipping and time, I might as well just drive over and get them there. However, there is an outfit called Baldwin Filters that is substantially lower in price, almost half in some cases. My gut tells me that anything that low in price has to be some cutrate inferior product. On the other hand, maybe if filters are all they do, that's why they can make them so inexpensive. Does anybody have any experience with Baldwin Filter's products, and are they comparable to manufacturer brands? Thanks.

I don't know the answer. I've seen lots of opinions, but nothing knowledgable from a scientific perspective. And if there are cheaper filters that maybe do less for the engine, does that mean that there are more expensive filters that do more?
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BTW, how much filtering is good enough for an engine? How much more is better?" After a lifetime of mechanics, I don't even know the answer to those simple questions, much less how different commercial filters compare. There doesn't seem to be any popular standard for comparing engine oil filters. One possible reason for that could be that it really doesn't make much difference.

My guess is that the info is out there somewhere, if for no other reason than it would be such a simple thing to do. After all, we know (or hope) the folks who design filters have to be getting their information from somewhere.

rScotty

 

[EddieWalker]

Agree Kubota filters are superior,, no requirement to disclose location unless poster desires to do so. Location police have no authority

It's helpful to know where a person is because we can give advice that might be helpful based on being in the same general area, or not give bad advice because that person is in another country, or in such a remote area that there are no other options. Since most people use made up names, there is no danger to use a general location of where you are at.

 

[EddieWalker]

I've found that I generally get the best prices for filters off of Amazon. Wix makes most of the manufacturers filters and just paints them the color that they ask for. There is a number or number and letter code on the filter that will correspond to the more affordable filter. Find it on Amazon, and then do a search for that filter on Google, or my favorite, Duckduckgo, and see if a better price comes up. Ebay sometimes surprises you. Of the two dozen filters that I buy every Spring, I can sometimes find one or two on Ebay that are cheaper, but you have to factor in shipping, which usually makes Amazon the better choice.

 

[MossRoad]

So how much money are you going to save on a filter?

 

[EddieWalker]

I have three hydraulic filters on my dozer that cost $140 each from the dealer. Amazon is under $90 each.

 

[MossRoad]

I have three hydraulic filters on my dozer that cost $140 each from the dealer. Amazon is under $90 each.

Ahhh.... I have one on my PT425 and it costs about $15 from the factory and $9 from AutoZone. :laughing:

 

[jcoleman1953]

Thanks, all, for your advice. I ended up going to the NH dealer, even though I could probably have saved around $50 total for all the filters. I figured better safe than sorry. Maintenance schedule says I should change these every 300 hours, which in my case is about every 5 or 6 years, so it's not like it's going to break the bank or anything. Also, added my location to my profile.

 

[rScotty]

Thanks, all, for your advice. I ended up going to the NH dealer, even though I could probably have saved around $50 total for all the filters. I figured better safe than sorry. Maintenance schedule says I should change these every 300 hours, which in my case is about every 5 or 6 years, so it's not like it's going to break the bank or anything. Also, added my location to my profile.

I wonder how many of us end up doing the same thing? We buy the manufacturer's filter from the dealer mainly because there just isn't enough information available to make an informed decision otherwise.

There are rumors that all filters are made by only a handful of companies and I have no idea if that is true or just another rural rumor. Or even if it is true, is there any reason a company wouldn't produce different grades of filter for different prices? That would make sense; most manufacturers make different "grades" of the same product.

Has anyone ever seen a serious comparison of filters? A comparison test with real measurements (not just arm waving) of pressure loss and particle size/type? Or know anything about the subject? For example, just how abrasive are the carbon particles that turn our diesel engine oil black?
rScotty

 

[majorwager]

Messick's did a you tube video on this subject.

 

[GLyford]

There are rumors that all filters are made by only a handful of companies and I have no idea if that is true or just another rural rumor. Or even if it is true, is there any reason a company wouldn't produce different grades of filter for different prices? That would make sense; most manufacturers make different "grades" of the same product.

Any of these companies that make things for other companies always work to a spec sheet. Sometimes it is pretty broad, sometimes it is very specific. Just because company A makes a filter for company B and sells their own on the side does not mean they are always the same filter.

 

[rScotty]

Messick's did a you tube video on this subject.

Messicks and Neil sure did...and still do. I enjoy listening to Neil's spiels and personally think that he does a lot of good for the industry. He goes and opens things up, looks inside, and comes up with an opinion - all in an entertaining and sometimes dramatic style. But it's still just an opinion, and he says as much. I like that he doesn't pretend to be doing something he's not. Those videos don't make any comparisons on how those filters work, or even IF they work. Or whether the different materials make a difference.

What Neil does is a good way to start looking at something in order to form an opinion - scientists call that "formulating a theory". The next step is to test the theory. And that is what I was saying that nobody seems to be doing with filters. Or if they are doing it, they haven't published the results anywhere I've looked so far.

Actually, it's more than just with filters. Our whole society seems to have shifted from a preference for facts to a preference for opinion.

Just imagine how we'd feel if our doc said, "An apple a day is probably as good as polio vaccine". Or the engineer saying, "That looks strong enough to me.."

Opinions are necessary places to start, but they aren't very good all by themselves for making wise decisions. Wisdom seems to be based around facts over wishes.

Sometimes I dream that is the other way around and that a world based on opinion makes the best decisions , but then I wake up and realize it's just not so.
rScotty

 

[newbury]

It's helpful to know where a person is because we can give advice that might be helpful based on being in the same general area, or not give bad advice because that person is in another country, or in such a remote area that there are no other options. Since most people use made up names, there is no danger to use a general location of where you are at.

And just how did you make up your name "EddieWalker"?

Messick's did a you tube video on this subject.

Apparently you didn't see Jeff's post #2 link.

 

[majorwager]

Restating the obvious, a true TBN luxury...