Pick Your Battles - House Contractor Rant

   / Pick Your Battles - House Contractor Rant #41  
I didn't read all the comments but the plumbers are getting paid to drive to your house so it's normal to charge for that.

The last remodeling we did the guy worked by himself and did all the work. That said I live in a rural area hence no one checking to see if he is licensed in any thing. He did a great job, far better than anybody we've had in the past. His finish work was top notch. We waited over a year for him to get to us also.

In all the past remodeling we've had done the work was always good but there was usually some aspect that we were a little disappointed in.
 
   / Pick Your Battles - House Contractor Rant #42  
Either way, a decent contractor would have said, "Your driveway will end 6' shorter than the blacktop" ahead of time so he could have finished the job.

No, a decent contractor would have said, "Your driveway will cost $$ more". No way should stopping 6' short even have been an option that ever crossed anyone's mind.

IF your son had then asked what could be done to keep the cost the same, then stopping short could have been an option.
 
   / Pick Your Battles - House Contractor Rant #43  
I cringe every time I have to hire something done. I will work all day to save $100. I have been pretty lucky so far, biggest thing was a new roof and they did a fantastic job. Way outside my ability and I have no idea how they made any money. There were 5 guys there for 4 full days working from sun up to sun down and the bill was $11,250. <img src="http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=490954"/>

Yup. Some contractors are better than others. Hired a local guy to put the roof on my new 24 x 24 straight Gable end garage. The price was $800, so I said go ahead. About five guys arrived at about eight or nine in the morning, and by the time I finished my coffee, relaxed a bit and went out to see how it was going they were gone! Nice job, fast work, good cleanup, and very reasonable price.

However, that was 13 years ago.
 
   / Pick Your Battles - House Contractor Rant #44  
Over the last several weeks I have spent over $14K remodeling a house purchased for my elderly parents to live in. Because I am in a hurry did get it finished I hired contractors to do work I could do myself and also figured professionals would do a better job than I could. Other than the HVAC replacement done by someone I have used for years, this assumption has proved false, the plumbers who did do a good job finishing the shower rough charged me $240 for less than one hour of work and $20 dollars in parts, having been quoted $90/hour when I hired them when I asked why the extra I was told they charged from the time they left and returned to the shop, so I paid them $90 for a one hour drive. The sheetrock guy I believe purposely tried to use standard drywall after I told him I wanted blue board in the bathroom, left his workers unsupervised when he told me he would be onsite the entire time and then when I asked him to come back and finish skimming 10 of tape left undone he explained they never mudded tape that would be behind the shower surround. The tile guys did a beautiful job laying the pattern but the slope of the walk-in shower still has me wondering if it will drain into the drain or out into the bathroom floor they also did a very poor job of cleaning after grouting. Lastly the shower door installers did not arrive when I was told they would be here, did not call let me know what was going on and while I am very happy with the glass shower door install I just noticed they gouged the freshly painted drywall in three places when they were moving the doors.

None of these contractors were the low bids, all of them were employees of the company not outsourced, and two of them were recommended by someone I know very well. It seems you can't pay someone enough to do a top shelf job anymore; all they seem to excel at is cashing the check. The entire approach of the owners is tell you what you want to hear, do the work as cheaply and quickly as they can and make the customer find the problems and come back and fix them if absolutely necessary.

Is this the general state of affairs in the remolding world or is it just me? Should they have to fix every minor issue or do you just fix it yourself and forgo the headache?

I call myself a Contractor, but in reality I'm more of a high paid handyman. I've built spec houses with subs and I've had employees working for me to speed things up. What I've learned over time is that I'm just not comfortable telling others what to do, or expecting them to do it the way I want it done. By listening to my clients, I've learned what they hate, and what I should do to make them happy. I've also learned who to avoid and when it's not about the money.

In your case, it sounds like you are in a hurry, and that's the worse thing to be when hiring people. My booked up to July, maybe August. I'm still writing bids for those interested in waiting, but for those that found somebody to start right away, I'm getting calls from them to come fix what they did wrong or didn't do at all. I only do one job at a time and I stay on it until it's done. I do not take deposits or upfront money. Every payment is in my bid and I round up my materials estimate to be sure I always come in under budget. I'm either the most expensive guy out there, or at least one of them. My clients tell me that when they get their bids, they hire me because of my FB posts, and how organized my bid is. They also tell me that I was the most expensive, but with all the stories they have heard and experienced, the cheapest bids usually cost the most by the time the job is done.

Clients all want the best job possible, but rarely do they know what they want. It's my job to figure that out and make it happen. My current client does not understand measuring, or being able to fit everything she wants into a space. It's part baby sitting, part teaching and part designer to make it all happen.

When I meet a client who starts laying it on the line to me and telling me how I'm going to do things, what he's going to pay, or something along those lines, I decline the job. Some people just come across like they are wanting to have a fight, and I'm fortunate enough to have enough work out there that I can pick and chose the jobs I take.

I read years ago that if you underbid a job, accept that as a learning experience. Never increase your price unless it's something extra that they have added to the job. On the job that I'm doing right now, my client changed her mind on having granite counters installed. She saw oak wood flooring used for counters on some website and wanted me to do that for her counters. I added $2,000 in labor to do this and should have charged more, but it's all part of making the client happy and learning something new. Here is a picture of where I'm at two days ago.

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In every job that I've done that another contractor messed up, they all tell me the same thing. They knew he wasn't doing a good job, but they stuck with him in the hope it would get better. You have to trust your gut and know how to fire them. Don't hire friends or family. Talk to and get bids from at least five contractors. More is better. NEVER believe anybody who tells you this is the best guy around, nobody is the best. There is only those who finish the job and do what you want, and those who failed. And never be afraid to google or youtube how to do something.
 
   / Pick Your Battles - House Contractor Rant #45  
I have no view on that specific example. However as a long-retired GC I can tell you that clients expecting something for nothing is par for the course. Signing a contract I showed the client standard change orders. And made it clear that additions deletions and substitutions will generally have a cost that they sign off on before it happens.

A good, well written contract is VERY important. I have avoided a lot of problems by using a good contract, spelling out all the eventualities.
 
   / Pick Your Battles - House Contractor Rant #47  
What has worked well for me in the past is to always develop a relationship with the contractor and/or tradesman. I have developed more than a few friendships that way over the years, and often end up with a symbiotic arrangement, wherein we help each other at various times. Makes everything A LOT more pleasant.

I have also found that it is better to make time your friend than your enemy. I have gotten more than a few excellent deals from people simply because I was willing to wait and/or be flexible and fit into their schedules when they are juggling more than one job. (I think that the "rush, rush, rush" phenomenon is one the the greatest sources of contractor and tradesman stress.)

BTW, if you are one of those guys who can't stand the client being around when the work is being done, you won't be working for me. It's not that I am constantly looking over the guy's shoulder (VERY bad idea), it's just that decisions often have to be made on the spot, and the contractor will always ask you before making any important decisions. I avoid a lot of troubles that way, and they don't even realize that I am checking up on them!
 
   / Pick Your Battles - House Contractor Rant #48  
Eddie what is that stove looks interesting?

It's a 1952 O'Keefe and Merrick that she found on Facebook. I don't know what she paid for it, just that they traded a cow to the guy who refurbished it. One of the coolest things about it is on the inside of one of the doors, there is a label painted onto the door on how long and what temperature to cook stuff. Some of it is pretty common, but there are a few things that I have never heard of before. I really need to get a picture of that, it's really unique.

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The house is a 1940's farmhouse on 70 acres that has had several remodels over the decades. The stove is 40 inches wide, and the location on where we put it has changed three times in the layout because she kept rethinking things like the island, the sink and upper cabinets. The upper cabinets are now out and she just picked up the corbals that she wants me to use for shelves that I will build on either side of the window over the sink. She wants to display her colored plates.

Back to the original thread. These changes are what I consider normal in any remodel and a big reason that I feel I keep busy. I'm creating the clients dream, and making that picture they have in their head that only they can see, into reality.
 
   / Pick Your Battles - House Contractor Rant #49  
Apologies to OP for slight wandering. Thx Eddie pls post writeup of that stove sometime, it is beautiful.
 
   / Pick Your Battles - House Contractor Rant #50  
Interesting comments here. I am a GC, but do not do any residential work at all, except for my own properties. So, I basically make my living hiring the best subs I can find that are in budget. And trust me, even I get burned, or stuck with a bad sub once in awhile. There is no way around it. We use a 21 page contract that covers it all and is rock solid. We also have full time superintendents that watch every step of the project and have the knowledge to see it through. As far as cost, you 90% of the time get what you pay for. I will agree that it is getting incredibly hard to find good, skilled, PROFESSIONAL, tradesman. Plumbers are the worst, hard work, lousy conditions. Electricians are second, not that many smart guys around. Even a decently skilled carpenter is getting tuff to find. The best guys I do come by are all over 50 years old, and still have a good work ethic, and take pride in what they do.
 

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