Plastic drum OK for diesel?

   / Plastic drum OK for diesel? #61  
I was told by my fuel supplier not to use plastic for diesel, he said that plastic drums promote algae to form in the fuel, not sure if it is true or not

Seems like the newer equipment is using plastic fuel tanks. If Deere and Kubota (my direct experience) don't see a problem with it, I believe it's okay.
 
   / Plastic drum OK for diesel? #62  
okay- just read this thread.

As for Ken45101 comments- does anyone realize the tractor plastic tanks is dark black? Most of the plastic barrels are lighter in color allowing sunlight to get through. Is this a cause for concern ?

As for LBrown comment saying he doesn't keep his fuel in dwelling- his fuel shed is made with same material that houses is made with, isn't that a cause for concern ?

deano makes a good point about how much is being used and how long its been stored. If you don't use alot of fuel and if there was a leak in tanks and don't know it, wouldn't it become a liability and environmental issue?

kenstrac makes a good point about approved containers- lbrown has been proudly posting his refilling station for his BX's.:eek:

Now guys- I am all for saving money- I wouldn't mind using a barrel of some sort to have at least half year supply of off-road on hand. But with a sipping BX, I only go through 5 gallons or so a month now so a 5 gallon container isn't so bad, plus its always fresh.
 
   / Plastic drum OK for diesel? #63  
okay- just read this thread.

As for Ken45101 comments- does anyone realize the tractor plastic tanks is dark black? Most of the plastic barrels are lighter in color allowing sunlight to get through. Is this a cause for concern ?

I would have some concern if the barrels were stored in the sun. Mine is sheltered in the barn 1) to reduced sun induced heat 2) to reduce sun induced degradation of the plastic (although barrels are pretty heavy duty.)

As for LBrown comment saying he doesn't keep his fuel in dwelling- his fuel shed is made with same material that houses is made with, isn't that a cause for concern ?

It depends on where they are stored. In an outside shed with no electric? Perfectly safe. Gasoline stored in a shed with electric should have some precautions taken such as vents near the floor and electricity at least a few feet higher. Diesel is safer.

kenstrac makes a good point about approved containers- lbrown has been proudly posting his refilling station for his BX's.:eek:

I always get a chuckle at the gas stations with the "only use approved containers" signs. Approved by whom? I have never seen a container at Walmart, etc. that was marked as "approved" although I know you can order some from Grainger, McMaster-Carr, etc.

Now guys- I am all for saving money- I wouldn't mind using a barrel of some sort to have at least half year supply of off-road on hand. But with a sipping BX, I only go through 5 gallons or so a month now so a 5 gallon container isn't so bad, plus its always fresh.

I used multiple 5 gallon jugs for years. They were a pain to pour for a 50 hp tractor with loader arms in the way, often spilled fuel, and 15 gallons wouldn't fill it up anyway. I went to a 55 gallon drum last year (a pain to unload from the truck and around here commercial suppliers have a 150 gallon delivery minimum.) Even with that, it would be more than half empty as soon as I filled a couple of pieces of equipment.

Oil suppliers around here don't provide any tanks, nor did they have recommendations as to where to get any. Yes, I could have gotten a tank for a pickup, but that's too small to get home delivery and too big to leave in the truck or take in and out. I've gone to one of the 240 gallon poly cubes with the wire frame around it.

If I only needed 5 gallons a month, I would have stuck with the small containers. You are right. But when operating my equipment, I can go through 5 gallons in a couple of hours. I have three pieces of equipment with 20+ gallon tanks, one with an 18 gallon tank, and four more with 6-10 gallon tanks.

Ken
 
   / Plastic drum OK for diesel? #64  
I would have some concern if the barrels were stored in the sun. Mine is sheltered in the barn 1) to reduced sun induced heat 2) to reduce sun induced degradation of the plastic (although barrels are pretty heavy duty.)



It depends on where they are stored. In an outside shed with no electric? Perfectly safe. Gasoline stored in a shed with electric should have some precautions taken such as vents near the floor and electricity at least a few feet higher. Diesel is safer.

After looking at the pic's of THE SHED the wiring is much to be desired the shed probably has no signage telling the fire dept whats inside.
I personally would not like to pull up to a shed fire and have 100 gals of diesel come rolling out at me.


I always get a chuckle at the gas stations with the "only use approved containers" signs. Approved by whom? I have never seen a container at Walmart, etc. that was marked as "approved" although I know you can order some from Grainger, McMaster-Carr, etc.

I have looked at all my gas and diesel cans that I bought at the hardware store and at Lowe's and they are ANSI and ASTM approved I don't know where you are buying yours from.

I used multiple 5 gallon jugs for years. They were a pain to pour for a 50 hp tractor with loader arms in the way, often spilled fuel, and 15 gallons wouldn't fill it up anyway. I went to a 55 gallon drum last year (a pain to unload from the truck and around here commercial suppliers have a 150 gallon delivery minimum.) Even with that, it would be more than half empty as soon as I filled a couple of pieces of equipment.

Oil suppliers around here don't provide any tanks, nor did they have recommendations as to where to get any. Yes, I could have gotten a tank for a pickup, but that's too small to get home delivery and too big to leave in the truck or take in and out. I've gone to one of the 240 gallon poly cubes with the wire frame around it.

If I only needed 5 gallons a month, I would have stuck with the small containers. You are right. But when operating my equipment, I can go through 5 gallons in a couple of hours. I have three pieces of equipment with 20+ gallon tanks, one with an 18 gallon tank, and four more with 6-10 gallon tanks.

Ken

Home heating oil tanks must come with ANSI -ASTM rating or the local authority will not approve them.
 
   / Plastic drum OK for diesel? #65  
1*L Brown...How on earth do you use that much diesel in your small tractors??
2* I would be afraid of it going bad.
3*I'll stick with fresh diesel and the minimal hassle of pouring it in.
4*Hazmat containment laws come to mind with that much stored diesel.
1*How much is that much ? Can we have a gallonage figure just to give me some idea ?
Also we are talking fuel for 3 BXs not just one.
2*Treated it should last 12 to 18 months,but I've always ran out before that.
3*How fresh do you think it needs to be?
If it's good for a year or a year and a half I see no need to buy fuel every month or two.
Nothing minimizes the hassle of pouring it in like a 12 volt pump..;)
4*Again How much is that Much?
This hain't no public service station handling thousands or even hundreds of gallons of fuel here.
Since I'm just a private party using fuel for their own use
and a low volume of fuel at that I doubt if it even falls under Hasmat or EPA jurisdictions.

6*Seems like the newer equipment is using plastic fuel tanks.
7*If Deere and Kubota (my direct experience) don't see a problem with it,
8*I believe it's okay.
6*Plastic won't rust a hole in it from inside to outside and start leaking that way.
7*Neither do I.
8* I do too.

okay- just read this thread.
As for Ken45101 comments- does anyone realize the tractor plastic tanks is dark black? Most of the plastic barrels are lighter in color allowing sunlight to get through.
9*Is this a cause for concern ?
As for LBrowns comment saying he doesn't keep his fuel in a dwelling- his fuel shed is made with the same material that houses are made with,
10* isn't that a cause for concern ?
11*deano makes a good point about how much is being used and how long its been stored.
12*If you don't use alot of fuel and if there was a leak in tanks and don't know it, wouldn't it become a liability and environmental issue?
13*kenstrac makes a good point about approved containers-
14* lbrown has been proudly posting his refilling station for his BX's.
Now guys- I am all for saving money-
15* I wouldn't mind using a barrel of some sort to have at least half year supply of off-road on hand.
16*But with a sipping BX, I only go through 5 gallons or so a month now so a 5 gallon container isn't so bad,
17*plus its always fresh.
9*Not that I can C.
10*Nope The cause for concern was the fuel being stored in the dewelling .
That concern was elemenated when the fuel was removed from the dwelling.
I think you are foucsed on the wrong goal for using the building.
The goal of putting the fuel in the building was not to prevent the loss of the building in a fire it was to prevent the loss of the dwelling.
I have $450 in the storage building.
I'd rather have the fuel burn down a $450 building than a 20000 garage or a 50000 house.
The building is not intended to prevent a loss it's meant tp cut ones loss.
11*deano makes a good point about how much is being used and how long its been stored.
Well he don't really cause he never says how much or how long.
12*The drums are the same material as the 5 gallon Cans .
13*So what aint approved?
It also appears that this material is thicker in the drums that it is in the 5 gallon cans.
This being the case the likelihood of a leak in the drum would be no greater than it would be in a 5 gallon can .
In fact it should be less due to the heaver gauge material in the drums.
Also can I ask why would there be any difference between 30 gallons of diesel setting around in 6 5 gallon cans than there would be with 30 gallons setting in 1 30 gallon drum?
I've heard that the EPA and HASMAT don't get involved with anything under 110 gallons.
14*Not a thing wrong with with it and a lot safer than all those 2 and 5 gallon cans of gasoline setting in garages and basements all over the country.
15*How many gallon did you think I keep on hand?
16*plenty for a pump and 30 gallon drum set up.
17*Just how fresh do you think it has to be?
 
   / Plastic drum OK for diesel? #66  
Quote:
Originally Posted by radioman
okay- just read this thread.

As for Ken45101 comments- does anyone realize the tractor plastic tanks is dark black? Most of the plastic barrels are lighter in color allowing sunlight to get through. Is this a cause for concern ?

I would have some concern if the barrels were stored in the sun. Mine is sheltered in the barn 1) to reduced sun induced heat 2) to reduce sun induced degradation of the plastic (although barrels are pretty heavy duty.)
Mine is in an 8x10 storage building to protect it and the fuel from the weather.
Quote:
As for LBrown comment saying he doesn't keep his fuel in dwelling- his fuel shed is made with the same material that houses is made with, isn't that a cause for concern ?
It depends on where they are stored. In an outside shed with no electric? Perfectly safe. Gasoline stored in a shed with electric should have some precautions taken such as vents near the floor and electricity at least a few feet higher. Diesel is safer. The reason for putting the drum of diesel in the building has nothing to do with the risk of it catching on fire. The purpose was to loose a $450 dollar building instead of a Home or Garage costing thousands upon thousands of bucks. Ever hear of cutting your losses?
Quote:
kenstrac makes a good point about approved containers- lbrown has been proudly posting his refilling station for his BX's.:eek:

I always get a chuckle at the gas stations with the "only use approved containers" signs. Approved by whom? I have never seen a container at Walmart, etc. that was marked as "approved" although I know you can order some from Grainger, McMaster-Carr, etc.
Good Point.
Quote:
Now guys- I am all for saving money- I wouldn't mind using a barrel of some sort to have at least half year supply of off-road on hand. But with a sipping BX, I only go through 5 gallons or so a month now so a 5 gallon container isn't so bad, plus its always fresh.
I used multiple 5 gallon jugs for years. They were a pain to pour for a 50 hp tractor with loader arms in the way, often spilled fuel, and 15 gallons wouldn't fill it up anyway. I went to a 55 gallon drum last year (a pain to unload from the truck and around here commercial suppliers have a 150 gallon delivery minimum.) Even with that, it would be more than half empty as soon as I filled a couple of pieces of equipment.
5 Gallon cans are junky pains.
Oil suppliers around here don't provide any tanks, nor did they have recommendations as to where to get any. Yes, I could have gotten a tank for a pickup, but that's too small to get home delivery and too big to leave in the truck or take in and out. I've gone to one of the 240 gallon poly cubes with the wire frame around it.
If I only needed 5 gallons a month, I would have stuck with the small containers. You are right. But when operating my equipment, I can go through 5 gallons in a couple of hours. I have three pieces of equipment with 20+ gallon tanks, one with an 18 gallon tank, and four more with 6-10 gallon tanks.

Ken
I'd still go with a pump and drum even at 4 or 5 gallon a month.
 
   / Plastic drum OK for diesel? #67  
I agree with you...I have a blue 55 gallon plastic barrel with a HF rotary hand pump and it sure beats lifting the 5 gallon cans in the air..I just got mine filled with off road $2.17 a gallon...I remember when off road was .60 a gallon but that's been a decade or so ago...memories how they linger..LOL - and so you guys know ..I have stored #2 diesel in drums for years and never had a problem with algae or water..just be sure to have the bottom of your pump pipe at least 3 inches up off the bottom of your barrel..water is heavier that diesel and any sludge or water will sink to the bottom and you don't want to suck that into your tractor.
 
   / Plastic drum OK for diesel? #68  
I agree with you...I have a blue 55 gallon plastic barrel with a HF rotary hand pump and it sure beats lifting the 5 gallon cans in the air..I just got mine filled with off road $2.17 a gallon...I remember when off road was .60 a gallon but that's been a decade or so ago...memories how they linger..LOL - and so you guys know ..I have stored #2 diesel in drums for years and never had a problem with algae or water..just be sure to have the bottom of your pump pipe at least 3 inches up off the bottom of your barrel..water is heavier that diesel and any sludge or water will sink to the bottom and you don't want to suck that into your tractor.
Anything beats them 5 gallon cans/anything at all .
 
   / Plastic drum OK for diesel? #69  
Anything beats them 5 gallon cans/anything at all .

lbrown, I just put my plastic 55 gal. drum on the back of my pick up and used a ratchet strap to pull it in tight back against the cab and went to the local supplier got 52 gallons in after I put in some Lucas diesel treatment and it was just as fast to fill it as if I had taken a 5 gal. container, anyone that has not seen how fast the #2 diesel pump at a wholesaler comes out would not believe it ..back home and used my FEL on my TC-29 with a ratchet strap to secure it and took it off the pickup and set it in place..easy and no lifting 5 gal. cans..LOL:)
 
   / Plastic drum OK for diesel? #70  
If your in the "State of Confusion" like I am, I'd rather do the tax exempt off road fuel paperwork once in awhile for 55 gal rather than for each 5 gal.

Make sure the bbl is grounded to the hose for no static pumping, with that fast flow and foaming Diesel might generate a spark.

I like the idea of a fuel shed set apart from everything. Gas cans, propane bottles in a shaded, well vented enclosure along with paints, other flammables. This stuff seems to collect too quickly in the shop & garage.
Rgds,
Tim
 

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