Please school me on an electrical problem.

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dukeyjoe

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Bryant, Al
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Mahindra 5035 HST; Long 2610, Takeuchi TL 230 Series 2, Bobcat 773F
Been working on the Ol' Long 2610. Changing filters, fuel lines, freshening up the oil bath air filter and putting a new seat on it (the old one has a few pinch marks in it from the front end getting a bit light). Was my first tractor and has been faithful, except the fuel gauge has never worked. The fuel warning light use to come on, even with a full tank. I isolated the sending unit. It has 3 wires going to it and none of them are hot. What gives?
 
   / Please school me on an electrical problem. #2  
Usually, a sending unit is "in the tank", is this what you are referring to.
These usually never have a live wire, only grounds.
 
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Fuel sending units are based on a rheostat. The three wires are likely ground, a signal wire to the gauge and a signal wire to the low fuel light. As the float moves it changes the resistance to ground that the gauge sees, reletive to it's position in the tank. The sending unit can be tested with a multi-meter with an ohm setting, 0-80 ohms is common.
 
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Yes skyhook, this is the sending unit that goes in the top of the tank.
diesel crawler, do I just check each of the three prongs vs. ground?
Thanks to you both for your responses.
 
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I've never seen a fuel gauge sender with three wires, but here's my two cents anyway. I believe one of the three is a ground. One may be for a low fuel light, and the third is for the gauge. TYPICALLY a fuel gauge is powered through the ignition/accessory circuit and indicates fuel level based on a variable resistance reading supplied by the float unit in the tank. I think we can all agree on that. As for diagnosing problems, to each his own. I usually start at the sender if I can get to it. Determine which wire is the sender wire and which is the ground(some systems are self grounded, others have a dedicated ground wire. Remove the sender wire, turn the key on, and "flash" the sender wire to ground. If the circuits are good, and the gauge works, the needle will move. Usually to full with a direct ground. If the gauge DOESN'T move, then trace the power to the gauge and or continuity from gauge to sender. In your case, since you never stated what, if anything, the gauge needle does with key on or off, that's hard to call from here. As for the low fuel light -- my guess is you have a third circuit for said light, with a contact on the float unit which simply completes a ground when the float drops to a certain point. Since you stated the light is on all the time, either the wire involved is grounded somewhere else, or the float lever is down all the time(float missing or full of fuel). If so, and all circuits do function, the gauge will read empty all the time.
 
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One post will be connection to chasis/battery ground. One post is ground for the guage, then I'm guessing the 3rd post would be ground for low fuel warning light.
 
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Normally there are three wires at the gauge, +12v, ground (only for lighting), and then the resistive ground coming from the sender.

And then the sender has two wires, a ground, and an out. As mentioned, the sender varies it's resistance to ground based on fuel level, and passes that to the gauge.
 
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Without a schematic its pretty difficult to say for sure, but my guess would be,
2 of the pins are joined, so when the tank is low it would activate a ground for the low fuel light.
At the higher end is where resistance would change, this is where your gauge would show how full it is.
So you could actually check any two pins a get a reading in ohms.
Anywhere between 1 and 120 or so ohms should indicate its not burn out/rusted out,
a NO reading would indicate its toast and need replacement. IMO
So basically, your looking for some sort of reading between the pins.
 
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I should have made things clearer. The low fuel warning light came on intermittently, even when the tank is full. The needle is stuck below empty and has not moved since I got the tractor 110 hrs. ago. The tractor has 804 hrs.

There are 3 wires that plug into prongs on the top of the sender. One prong has some sort of ceramic cover at it's base. Hooking my test light to ground or power, I get nothing when testing the wire that hooks up to the insulated prong. When hooked to power the light comes on with the other 2 wires. After removing some tape, I see that one is grounded on the firewall. The other 2 disappear into the wiring harness.
 
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Will go find one of my 4 meters ;)
 

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