Please settle an argument on sales numbers

MessickFarmEqu · Feb 10, 2006

( Branson I think is about 3500 last year, but I am not certain on that.
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I concure with Bob's analysis. I would question your branson figures. They are actually distributed about 30 miles from me. It seems to me that they have less market penetration than Zetor does, and I know for a fact that they run 500-600 a year. Their cousin Century was just dropped by the distributor and replaced by TYM - I assume over poor performance. But hey, its just speculation..

JCar · Feb 10, 2006

Not trying to start a war but your Branson facts are 100 % wrong, Dave's #'s are very close to last years sales, Branson is distributed out of Rome, GA . They have nothing to do with Zetor, and Kukje - Branson are the ones that did not renew AmericanJawa's contract.

MessickFarmEqu · Feb 10, 2006

Sounds like you know better than I do. I gotta admit that I have a hard time seeing that they sell about as many machines as Kioti. Maybe its a reigional thing, but i've seen 3-4 Kioti dealers for every Brandson/Century. Who knows, once you get outta the top 4 its anyones guess.

HayDR · Feb 11, 2006

MessickFarmEqu,
Dave's Tractor's sales figures are correct concerning Mahindra and Branson. The USA is a large and diverse market place and unless you travel all of the USA all the time you could not have experienced it first hand. American Jawa is a distributor not a manufacturer. Kukje is Branson. Take for instance New Holland's new economy 3 point disc mowers. They are built by Sitrex with Comer oil bath cutterbars. This is old technology but it is priced and designed for the 35-70 HP operator. The current NH production shaft drive 3 point disc mower is too heavy and expensive for that target market so their sales have suffered in the 3 point market. The number of 3 point disc mowers sold in Lancaster County, PA are considered to be a small market. Lancaster County, PA is pull-type discbine and haybine territory. But look at the 3 point disc mower sales for the USA. There are 3-1 more 3 point disc mowers sold than pull-type machines.

The opinions of posters saying XYZ is not sold strong in their area has little to do with the USA market as a whole. Just as some John Deere people just can not believe the numbers of tractors Kubota is selling, Kubota's market share is great and the numbers are factual.

Messick Farm Equipment pumps out some impressive numbers to be lauded by many a dealer. I know you know the whole world in not Lancaster County, PA. There are just different farming practices in other areas that require other types of equipment. These bedroom communities with houses that have 5 acre plots can generate massive tractor numbers with little or no farming be done in those locations. It is about customers not the size of a customers operation. There are more Kubota's sold in 200 miles of Charlotte, NC than any where in the USA. WHY? Customer base.

DavesTractor · Feb 11, 2006

I think the regional issue is the key in our perception. Here in our local area, I believe Mahindra and Branson keep pace, and honestly probably outsell most of the other brands in the CUT sizes. We have seen two Kubota, one John Deere, one Kioti and one New Holland dealership, all within 40 miles of us, fold up in the last 18 months. Of course it only took a few months and someone else grabbed those very good lines, so right now we are almost back where we were 18 months ago. Meanwhile Branson is planning to open a distribution center in California and Mahindra already has done so as of Jan. 1, 2006. We are on pace to distribute 1200 Mahindra's out of our facility this year, hopefully retailing about a quarter of those ourselves and the rest will go to west coast dealers. I know those are small numbers compared to Kubota, but nonetheless, the growth is phenominal.

It is clear the Branson and Mahindra are here to stay. They have very large well funded corporations behind them and they will be gaining market share. Kubota leads the way, but they certainly have some competition.

I am proud that discussions like this can stay so friendly, that speaks highly of this group.

Maka · Feb 11, 2006

( I am proud that discussions like this can stay so friendly, that speaks highly of this group. )

I agree Dave. This is a great thread. By the way, the numbers posted on the Montana's are a bit on the low side.

Maka

MessickFarmEqu · Feb 12, 2006

( By the way, the numbers posted on the Montana's are a bit on the low side.
Maka )

I did not see anyone post those, any idea what they maybe?

Cliff_Johns · Feb 12, 2006

jd2210 posted that the Montana numbers are 2000. Which is interesting because I was under the impression that Montana didn't manufacture any. I thought they just imported and asked the manufacturer to make them green and write Montana on the side. My mistake.

Cliff

DK35vince · Feb 12, 2006

( jd2210 posted that the Montana numbers are 2000. Which is interesting because I was under the impression that Montana didn't manufacture any. I thought they just imported and asked the manufacturer to make them green and write Montana on the side. My mistake. )

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So if a machine is manufatured by one company but sold under a differant name it does not count /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
Wouldn't that include most brands on the market today!!

Cliff_Johns · Feb 12, 2006

( So if a machine is manufatured by one company but sold under a differant name it does not count /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif Wouldn't that include most brands on the market today!! )

Count for what? The question was about how many manufactured, not how many sold.

Looking at the question from a different angle, there is a difference between a "rebadged" tractor, that is, one that is made for several resellers/brands/companies to sell, and an "outsourced" tractor, that is, one where the manufacturer is making that tractor for that one brand/company and not for several brands or for who ever comes in and asks for a different hood.

Depending on the person, one might count these differently or put them in the same bin.

My point in this post (not really relating to Montana specifically anymore) is that the question is a very hard one to answer because the web of suppliers and who really owns what and who really makes what is complicated.

Even if we were just talking about how many sold, it is still difficult.

Cliff