Plow depth and EPA

   / Plow depth and EPA #1  

Pherron2008

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I need some idea of the depth range of a typical farm double bottom plow. The plow would be used to turn a field for prep for planting a crop for corn or hay or grain.
My reason for asking is bizarre, but important. My family owned and operated a dairy farm in Elkton, Md from the mid '40's for about 50 years. Toward the end of that period, the EPA discovered through the review of old documents that at the end of WWll, a large munitions plant adjacent to the farm buried millions of now surplus artillery shells, bullets, hand grenades, etc, on the farm we would be buying in a few years. - all done legally and under the supervision of the War Department.

Our family was totally unaware of this when we bought the farm several years later.

When the. EPA discover this contamination they declared a number of acres as a brownfield, and has spent about $7 million for removing the buried explosives. So far so good.
But then they said that since we were owners of the land, we had to pay for a portion of the cost of the cleanup. One reason given - our plowing had spread the buried munitions around, thus making the cleanup more expensive.

I am questioning this, thinking a plow typically turned soil over to a depth of about a foot or so. That is the reason for my question.
You can find full details at the EPA website under ,"Elkton Firehole".

By the way, if you think the EPA was unfairly billing the family for the cleanup of buried munitions we weren't even aware of, look up CERCLA. They can force participation in the cleanup cost even if the land owner was unaware of the presence of buried contaminants, and didn't even own the property when the contaminants were buried. This was our situation.
Thanks for any input
 
   / Plow depth and EPA #3  
A moldboard plow will dig a furrow 1/2 as deep as the width of the furrow, give or take an inch or so. So a 2x14 plow will go 6-8" deep.
The same plow will move the soil to the right one furrow width per plowing. So that 2x14 will move the furrow 14" per year, if you plow in the same direction each year. In that scenario, the dead furrow in the center of the field would get 28" wider per year. Usually, farmers alternate directions annually, so that the soil stays put.

Other implement may move soil or objects more, but I don't know enough about them to comment. I don't call myself a moldboard plow expert.
 
   / Plow depth and EPA #5  
Plow depth is typically 6 to 8 inches. If you plowed up a grenade or artillery shell, I think you would notice. Anyway, plowing does not "move" the soil to other parts of the farm if that is what EPA is contending. It all stays roughly in the same small footprint, and in the same field. All the plow does is turn the soil over to bury the sod or surface trash of the previous crop. Rain and surface water moves soil much more than plowing. If EPA keeps giving you fits, you may want to talk to an ag. engineer or the state Extension office.
 
   / Plow depth and EPA #6  
So, if I interpret their claim correctly,
they buried the munitions,
in what anyone might reasonably construe as farm land,
to a depth so shallow that a plow could disturb them.

Sounds like a case of either stupidity or negligence, to me.
Of course, we are talking about the actions of a Cold War government with completely unchecked war powers.

I feel for you, your family and the situation that you are presented with.
It makes my brain numb, just trying to make sense of.
I wish you the greatest good luck in your quest for justice and reason.
 
   / Plow depth and EPA #7  
All I can say is wow! another wait till after the fact and stick it to you situtation that has never been your fault. I think you need a good lawyer.. no.. scratch that's really good lawyer that understands farming. I would not stand by just because the past haunting you now and the gumbermint wants you to pay. I agree with other poster that pull type plowing only flips the soil to the other side and depending on the type of tractor and plow you have tells you the depth. Get the plows used documented and say - it cannot pull ammo out of the ground if it was buried over a foot deep. Even a rototiller would only go max 6-8 inches deep and it only moves soil one foot behind it. Do you have documents saying how deep the stuff was buried?
 
   / Plow depth and EPA #8  
Good luck with this endeavor you will need it. Greta Van Susterand (FOX news) would want to hear about this. I am pulling for you, but you need some real help and exposure to deal with the EPA.
 
   / Plow depth and EPA #9  
A moldboard plow will dig a furrow 1/2 as deep as the width of the furrow, give or take an inch or so. So a 2x14 plow will go 6-8" deep.
The same plow will move the soil to the right one furrow width per plowing. So that 2x14 will move the furrow 14" per year, if you plow in the same direction each year. In that scenario, the dead furrow in the center of the field would get 28" wider per year. Usually, farmers alternate directions annually, so that the soil stays put.

Other implement may move soil or objects more, but I don't know enough about them to comment. I don't call myself a moldboard plow expert.

All true.

Moldboard plows back then were pretty much restricted to 12", 14" and 16" because that was the size plow a Ford tractor could pull. in either two bottom or three bottom configuration.

WW1 munitions 'rise' in the soils of French farms every Spring and are disposed of by the French army.
 
   / Plow depth and EPA #10  
Sadly the only way your going to know anything is have the entire area surveyed
by ground penetrating radar to find out how deep it is and where it is.

thinking about plowing the land is a non starter simply because of the age of the
explosives, the fuses, and the shell casings and the possibility of ground vibration
setting them off with oor without a fuse in the munitions.

The other nasty issue is lightning and if the burial pits were shallow dug pits
the heat from static electric charge entering the pit is greater than the
heat of the sun not to mention the voltage that would enter the broken
ground surface allowing a closer entry to a munitions burial pit.

Plus any rusting of the shells affecting the explosives. You cannot safely assume
they are neutralized with age.


Sadly people are killed by WW1, WW2 and Korean War munitions on the beaches and by
unexploded ordinance that was buried by the impact of the bombs as well.

They are finding old bombs every year in Europe or bombs that were
dropped in the sea prior to landing a a damaged aircraft and brought
up by shrimp and scallop boats (bottom draggers).

There has to be some government money somewhere that can be
applied for via your congressman or state senators office.

The Department Of The Army spent years digging explosive pits at
the Seneca Army Depot and exploding old ordinance to get rid of it
as it was too old and possibly unstable to move and dispose of
somewhere else.
 
 

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