Pole Light Electrical Questions

   / Pole Light Electrical Questions #11  
I would ideally like all these outside lights to turn on by the same switch inside the door. Thanks

Not to be a wise guy :) but it's a good thing that's how you want it to work, cause that's the only way it can work (on that existing switched circuit).

As far as the concern over the total load on that circuit, one way to add more lights and not add more load is switch to CFL's. I don't think you need spot lights just to mark the end of the drive.

Good luck,
 
   / Pole Light Electrical Questions #12  
Treemonkey said it the best. Turn off the breaker to the switch and see what else is not working in the house. chances are you may have it wired up to bunch of other circuits. Some houses are like that . If the breaker powers other lights and plugs in the house, I would advise against adding on to that circuit until you get a new line run to the switch. The issue is running a cable outside over a 100 ft run will start adding resistance , therefore more heat to the lines just to keep it powered.

Solar powered is the easiest choice, for accent lighting, not something to see with. I have solar powered lights in the front of my house and lining up the sidewalk. one issue is I can see the corner of the steps, but can't see everything. also another problem is that when it snows, the solar panel gets covered where I put it, so try to put yours somewhere where snow will fall right off if you don't mind the look. (it does for me)
 
   / Pole Light Electrical Questions #13  
Have you considered low voltage lighting. You can bury the transformer in a water tite box and string the low voltage wire as far as you want tapping in lights as you go. Or find where the power leaves the house to the first light and put the transformer there. I think they can be operated with photo eyes as well.


Dan
 
   / Pole Light Electrical Questions #14  
. You could probably up the breaker if needed if the box has room.

You can not just "up" the breaker size without "upping" the wire size as well. Assuming that this is a typical home lighting / outlet circut. It is probaly a 15 amp breaker feeding a 14/2 guage wire (romex ?). To just "up" the breaker to a 20 amp while leaving the wire at 14 guage could potentially overheat the wire, risking a chance of fire.
The same rule stands if the circut in question happens to be a 20 amp breaker feeding a 12/2 romex. You can't just "up" the breaker because you need more amperage.
That was bad advice and suggestion.
Find out what size the current braker and wire size is for the circut in question, do a load calculation on whatever items you have on the circut and see if the circut has the capacity to safely add more load.
You didn't mention how long of a distance you looking at running more lights. There will be some voltage drop but very minimal and you wil most likey never see it.
A 15 amp circut will safely operate quite alot of 60 watt bulbs without an issue, unless there is something like a washing machine or a refigrator on the circut with them.
 
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Thanks for some of the ideas guys. Again I like ot beleive I am pretty handy and I am a fast learner but I have no concept of electrical work. I do have something installed by the builder that sticks up a little and is attached the the bottoom of the house. This is the wiring for the pole light I have been refering too. I guess someone mentioned I could tap into this but then this goes under my walkway to the pole light. I want to avoid having to go under the walk way and this is what gave me the idea of starting at the pole light which is on the other (right side) of the walkway. Dan mentioned low voltage lighting. Can anyone elaborate on these. Are they better than solar lights and how do they actually work? Thanks again guys!!!

Also someone mentioned wiring in a outlet box at the bottom of the pole light. Not sure if this matters but the pole light I have already has a outlet installed but its up at the top by the light fixture. Sorry also what are CFL'S?
 
   / Pole Light Electrical Questions #16  
Dan mentioned low voltage lighting. Can anyone elaborate on these. Are they better than solar lights and how do they actually work? Thanks again guys!!!


Definitely better than the solar IMO. I've got aot of them around walks and patio. many control options like timing on-off times etc.
Also fairly safe for home owner do it yourselfers, don't have to fuss with the burying the wire deep etc. problem is most of the fixtures are low though they do have some taller pole type one, so snow can cover them. the reason they are all mostly low is not only are they low voltage they are low illumination, so being up on a pole gives off little light on the ground.

They're great for landscapes, maybe not great for what you want to do.

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   / Pole Light Electrical Questions #17  
I am not overly familiar w/ electrical work and was hoping some of you that have a better idea can shed some light on this for me. I currently have a pole light in my front landscape that was wired to a switch inside my front door. I want to add some more lighting outside mostly up the sides of the driveway. Either more pole lights or some spot lights of some sort. Question is, is it possible to pull the pole light from the ground to get to the wires and splice these and add on to the wiring to run to these other lights I want to install. I would ideally like all these outside lights to turn on by the same switch inside the door. Thanks

Take the top of the pole light off run a piece of strapping down the pole( to protect the wire while drilling) with the wire on the opposite side of where you want to put a hole below grade.
drill 7/8 hole in post use push in romex wire connector tie wire into the upper box for a good connection replace top use the new fluorescent bulb in existing and install other lights wit fluorescent bulbs 4x27 watts =112 watts job done.
 
   / Pole Light Electrical Questions #18  
This is one of those threads where you are getting advice that's all over the place. Some good, some not so good.

There really is no way to know what else is on the line until you test it. It could be pretty much free to do with as you wish, or it could be supplying power to a dozen things that are close to maxing it out.

A simple rule of thumb is tha a 100 watt light bulb uses one amp of power. There are other factors in this, but it's a good rule for simple math. Use a 40 watt bulb and it's less then half an amp per bulb.

Step one would be to find out what's on that line, and how much power is being used.

Do the math and figure out what is left. You never want to max out a line because that's when you start tripping breakers.

Once you know what you have available to use, then you need to create a plan of how many lights you can install, and how many watts you can put on each light. Lower wattage means more lights.

Solar lights will dissapoint you. They are probably the only things out there that everyone who has them, complains about them. Plug in, low wattage lights work well, but you get what you pay for. Plastic ones are cheaper, they work fine for awhile, but they start to fall apart after a few years. Metal is much better if you want to spend the money. You can really increase you number of lights by installing some outlets to plug in a few lines of low voltage lights.

Before pulling the light pole, look real close at the base of the light, and around it in the bushes. Ideally, it should have been installed with a junction box either inside of it, or next to it. If so, then you just run your lines off of the junction box.

Another thing to consider before pulling the light out is to figure out where the wire runs in the ground and see if you can dig it up. I don't know if you want that light where it is, or even want it at all, but if you like it, then leaving it alone and redoing the wiring is the easier choice.

I like grey plastic for my junction boxes and conduit. I've replaced and seen allot of metal junction boxes that have rotted away. They sort of melt, or whatever happens to them. I've seen it so many times that it's almost common. It could be fertilizers or pestisides that cause this, but whatever the reason, I don't buy metal for junction boxes anymore.

Install the junction boxes up in the air, above the grade of the ground. It will be kind of ugly, so think of planting somthing in front of them in your plan.

You should have a junction box at every light. If it's an outlet, that is also a junction box, and you could add an outlet to every junction box for just a light to give yourself more options. It's more work and money for the covers, but worthwhile if you can see a need for them. It's not hard to add an outlet to a junction box later off if you need it either.

You can run your lights like the spokes of a wheel with one main junction box in the middle and each run going out from there, or you can daisy chain them and go from light to light to light. Or a combination of both. It's pretty simple as long as you are on the same circuit and keep your wires matched up. Black to black and white to white.

Again, make a plan. Put it down on paper and spend some time rethinking it. Draw a map how you want the lines to run and think about what you will be digging through. Trees really suck when digging trenches because of those roots. I use a sawzall to cut roots with a prunning blade. When bidding a job that requires digging and trees, I add that to my bid, including a three pack of new blades.

Good luck,
Eddie
 
   / Pole Light Electrical Questions #19  
Being in New York the flourescents might not produce a lot of light when it is real cold out. At least that is what I understand for the CFL's. Low voltage is a good idea for ease of installation. A lot of these replies are great which doesn't surprise me one bit with the wealth of information on this site.
The low voltage lights are usually about 12 volts. They do make spot beams and some of the good systems put out a fair amount of light.
So now you need to get your camera out and take some before and after shots...:)
 
   / Pole Light Electrical Questions #20  
I don't think it gets colder in NY than in NH and I changed my lights outside to all CFL's regular and spots 3 years ago and have no problems.
Most pole lights were wired to accept a 100 watt bulb using CFL's you can run 4 bulbs.
 

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