Poor cab heat

   / Poor cab heat #191  
dirtworksequip said:
radman, 24degrees F tractor stored outside.

6:55AM glow plugged for 10 sec-tractor started at fast idle.
heater temp knob set to high -fan off
checked for heat from vents every 5 minutes at idle with fan on high.
6:56 NO HEAT
6:57 NO HEAT fast idle shuts off.
6:58 NO HEAT
6:59 NO HEAT
7:00 NO HEAT
7:01 NO HEAT
7:02 NO HEAT
7:03 NO HEAT
7:04 NO HEAT
7:05 NO HEAT
7:06 NO HEAT
7:07 NO HEAT
7:08 NO HEAT
7:09 NO HEAT when fan is switched on air is warm,but cools with fan on.
7:10 NO HEAT " " " "

I probably could sit here all day idleing and the cab temp wouldn't change much,but 15 minutes is long enough.
7:11 ran tractor back and forth in driveway working the front blade and simulating work. I had heat in 5 minutes!

I just cannot understand how you expect your tractor to throw heat without some work load on the engine.
I'm completely satisfied with the heating system on my 3520. It functions just how I anticipated it would.

I also currently have 3 Cat machines. The heating systems on them work the same as the Deere tractors.NO WORK=NO HEAT!

Do you think something is wrong with my 3520 and Cat machines? I'm not trying to be confrontational. I just think you are expecting your tractor to do something it can't.


I dont know how he runs his but to be honest a lot of the time I am doing such lite work that I pretty well pick the gear and then leave the tractor at idle while I work. Sometimes I am in a hurry and pick up the rpms but on my tractor I rarely go for high RPMs. If I start my tractor which is stored outside on a cold day ( below 35 degrees) then in about 5 minutes I have heat. in about 15 minutes I am turning the heater down. I dont have a john deere but I expect my heater to work whenever I have the engine running for a short period of time no matter whether I am doing work or not. I believe that someone posted earlier that JD tests their cabs in 16 degree weather at an idle and that within a short period of time you can be comfortable in shirt sleeves. His problem is a far cry from that. He might want to look into his states lemon laws to see if they are applicable to tractors.
 
   / Poor cab heat #192  
gemini, so you are saying that after idleing for 5 mins you have heat or after moving and working the tractor you have heat in 5 minutes? If you do have heat after 5 mins of idleing your tractor has a better heating system than both my diesel cars.
 
   / Poor cab heat #193  
dirtworksequip said:
gemini, so you are saying that after idleing for 5 mins you have heat or after moving and working the tractor you have heat in 5 minutes? If you do have heat after 5 mins of idleing your tractor has a better heating system than both my diesel cars.

Ok maybe I was exagerating a bit it might be 10 minutes but it is very fast. I will have to actually time it now. I do know that since I am not brushhogging now most of the stuff I do is with my front end loader and with me doing a lot of construction in the remodel of my house most of the use of my tractor is just to jump in and move something then get out. I dont believe I have had it running for even a half an hour length for a few months It has just gotten cold enough for me to use the heater in the last 60 or so days and then very few of them. The times I have used it I have turned it on and then in a very short period of time I have had to turn it down because it was getting hot. I will try to take the time tomorrow and see how fast it starts getting warm.
so that I can give you a number. I do know that it is considerably faster than my 2006 silverado duramax at getting warm air out of the heater.
 
   / Poor cab heat #194  
radman, here are the figures for cab heat. 21 degrees F tractor stored outside
Engine block heater plugged in for 2 hours.
8:00 AM glow plugged for 10 sec. start engine. fast idle on.( block heater needs to be plugged in longer than 2 hours for good warm start at 21 degrees F) I'll try 4 hours next.
8:01 NO HEAT
8:02 NO HEAT
8:03 NO HEAT fast idle shuts off.
8:04 NO HEAT ran tractor up road to stone road.
8:05 NO HEAT
8:06 NO HEAT started to use landscape rake on road. Running in B range on transmission @ 2000 rpm's.
8:07 NO HEAT I figure it may take a little longer because raking is super light duty and not really putting the engine under load.
8:08 NO HEAT
8:09 NO HEAT
8:10 NO HEAT
8:11 NO HEAT
8:12 GOT HEAT!
8:13 HEAT
8:14 HEAT
8:15 HEAT

After working the tractor for only 6 mins I had heat.After another 5 mins I was turning it down. I suspect that if I had been putting the tractor engine under more load with a harder task it would have thrown heat much faster. Running the landscape rake on the road is really superlight duty.

I can say that even though it took several minutes to get heat I am completly satisfied with the heating system on the JD 3520 as it performs as I anticipated it would.

Keep us updated as to the solution to your problem.

Sincerely,
DIRT
 
   / Poor cab heat #195  
This is part of the reply I got from my dealer after they worked on the tractor yesterday:

Bobs tractor. Air temp 25. barn cold, within 5 minutes had 80F with heater valve and fan on high, with brake on, load match on, using forward pedal to simulate load intermittently, ran for 17 minutes, WOT 110 at full vent and fan, after 3 to 4 minutes single fan, ½ vent went 102F, idle, full vent, high setting with to 98F.

Blocked off air cleaner with tape, tape did not suck in which told us pressure in roof was compromised. Lifted roof, found both rear corners sealant had broke outside the air cavity box 1” to 1 ½ “ apart. Obviously the sealant applied in factory shrunk, retracted or just plain applied to tight. With the openings outside the air cavity box, you are sucking in cold air and mixing with your heater air and blowing into cab. We went to Gilroys, purchased 30’ of 1/2x1/2 weather strip. Pulled broken ends back together, weatherstripped on top of existing strip, also installed pieces behind broken sections. Installed the roof. By this time tractor had cooled for about 45 minutes. Ran for 15 minutes up and down drive, we got 115F then put load match and under load as best as we could, temp immediately jumped to 120F.

Bob, I talked to Deere, they are now recommending that sealant is replaced each time cab is installed. I concur as long as not stretched to tight, I will want to reseal yours this summer, I want the cab warm when we do it. Also, you have to get the tractor under load to make temp, suggestion run the tractor at ¾ throttle with heater valve off so there is no circulation thru the heater core for 10 to 15 minutes. Then go do your thing.

The water goes from block up left side of cab to the roof to the shutter, blocking the flow ( knob to thin red ) allows engine block to warm the water quicker, once you open the shutter, flow occurs goes thru heater core down right side of cab and back into block. This explains why you have some heat so quickly.

Bob, you definitely had a compromised roof, it is good for now, but I reseal when temp is better. Deere may come out with an improvement. I am ordering sealant for my 3520 in the shop, this will allow me to see how it comes from factory. Temp is wonderful at 120F. When I ran the 3720 of mine and had temp at 100 to 110, I was more than comfortable and would not want anymore, 120F was cooking me.

I plan to get up to my place sometime in the next couple of weeks to see how much of an improvement this is. It looks to me that the design of the system is such that unless some kind of load is put to the engine the best I can hope for is 80 -90 degree output air temp so if I'm doing work where the engine will idle down for long periods the engine temp will drop also.

Although I would like the tractor to be as responsive as my truck I have to keep in mind that the truck has the advantage of a temperature controlled cooling fan thus it would be able to maintain engine temp at idle by simply shutting the fan down.
 
   / Poor cab heat #196  
turbo, glad to see that they came up with a fix. If I ever have any problems I'll know where to start. Having to put the tractor under load is the point I have been trying to get across in the temp start up test I did the last couple of days. You just cannot expect heat out of a machine without the engine being under load. They just were not designed that way.
 
   / Poor cab heat #197  
dirtworksequip said:
turbo, glad to see that they came up with a fix. If I ever have any problems I'll know where to start. Having to put the tractor under load is the point I have been trying to get across in the temp start up test I did the last couple of days. You just cannot expect heat out of a machine without the engine being under load. They just were not designed that way.

Why does mine get warm at idle?
 
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#198  
turbo36 and dirtworksequip
turbo 36: Told my dealer what your dealer did on checking for bad seal. They will check it out.
dirtworksequip: If I could get heat by using a landscape rake as a load, I wouldn't be having any big complaints. I need to have much more load than that on tractor to get heat. I would guess my tractor would need to be 50% of capacity to get too much heat in cab. Even with heater hose clamped completely off, it takes 12-15 minutes to get engine warm to near full operating temp measured by heat gun. You have heat under a light load in 11 minutes. Your 11 minute time frame to get heat should be expected.There is no way my tractor would do that. Try starting your tractor on a cool day, fast idle, heater and fan off and see it it will heat in 20 minutes with no load.
My cab will also cool off in 10-15 minutes if I let sit at an idle after operating under heavy load on a 30F day. 2 weeks ago I used front snow blade pushing 8" of snow in B range, hydrostat pushed to the floor, near pto speed, FWD on and probably about 80% of tractor capacity on 25F windy day and ran it for 3 hours. That was really the first time I could actually sit in the tractor with no coat on and turn the heater down. I shouldn't have to push it that hard to get real heat. What if the temp was 0? I might never get cab heat.
 
   / Poor cab heat #199  
Ok this is not an inclusive test because the temp outside was 40 degrees. It is supposed to get cold here this weekend and i will test it. At 40 degree outside temp the heater air was not as cold after 5 minutes as it was when I started the tractor. After 7 minutes I was getting warm air. This was done last night about midnight so no solar effect through the cab windows. We have snow forecast for this weekend so I will go out to my tractor and start it then see how long it takes for it to get warm and comfortable in my cab in below 30 degree weather.
 
   / Poor cab heat #200  
How long does it take your car to warm up if you don't drive it? Turn the fan on high and the heat all the way up, at ilde then check it min.by min.
 

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