Portable Generator

   / Portable Generator #11  
"I have a NORTH STAR from Northern Tool Tri-Fuel and love it (largely because it has been trouble free)."

Bob, a friend of mine was just asking me if I knew of any generators like your North Star. I sent him the URL for that one, and he said "that's the one, and tell him thanks a lot".
So "thanks a lot".
 
   / Portable Generator #12  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( What you described about backfeeding the panel through a 220 circuit is where the unsafe and unlawful part that somebody else talked about comes in. When you shut off the main, that only disconnects the two black wires. You are still backfeeding the power grid throught the neutral. Hydro workers will not be pleased when they get a tingle.
Richard )</font>

Yup - dicker is spot on. A guy I work with told me one time he didn't switch off his main disconnect - wondered why the neighbors' lights were on!! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

I have a 6600 Watt Generac - and bought a Generac "transfer switch" - I couldn't find my model - but this looks pretty close:

Manual Transfer Switch

The nice thing about these units - the wife (- or insert name of other *technically challenged* loved one here - ) can safely make the connection and operate the switches. The switches are *break-break* - so there is no way to back feed the circuit.

The main switch stays on - so you know when power is restored - the house lights up again.

Hope that helps,

Dan
 
   / Portable Generator #13  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( If all you want it for is backup power spending over 1000 seems like a waist of money. I bought a Troy Built sold by Lowes for about 700. Its got 8500 surge with a 5 gallon tank and worked flawlessly during the 3 power outages we had during the 3 hurricanes that came through my area this year. I ran my pump, fridge, fans, lights, satellite and tv, basicaly everything but the water heater and a/c, then I would turn off everything and run my 50 gallon hot water heater till it shut off. Only had to run the water heater once a day to keep it hot. )</font>

I have to agree with you on the exact model offered at Lowes
mfg by Troy built. Lots of bang for the buck (Briggs motor and wheels included) all you need is a transfer switch and you will be under $1000 easily...
I like the quality of the Troy Built unit they offer at Lowes, and if memory serves correct was under $700 ??

Cost effective solution no doubt...

Ducati
 
   / Portable Generator #14  
Norm . . . glad I could help your friend.


All . . . seriously guys, you need to isolate your generator from the main power company grid. I understand the desire to do it cheap to "get by" for a few hours or a day or two, but do you really want to shock the daylights (or worse yet, kill or injure) a utility linesman because your generator backfed into the grid? You can get a cut out switch pretty cheaply. For the sake of the wifes and children of those linesmen, please isolate your generators.
 
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I have another question I think I know the answer to, but just want to make sure. When a generator says it is rated at 7500 watts and max. at 10,000 watss, does that mean if you are running items that say are pulling 5,000 watts and your fridge kicks on (let's say it pulls 1,500 once running but the initial start up pulls 3,500) would the generator be able to cover the increase for that short period of time?
I definitely will isolate my generator as far as that goes. I was including that in my budget.
I checked the generators Lowes has online and they look like they would be a perfect match.
Thanks guys.
 
   / Portable Generator #16  
This is always an interesting question and there have been some great discussions and ideas over the years but it always boils down to the fact that there is no right or wrong answer. Why???? ... because the best answer for you will be specific to you and depend solely on your circumstances.

Having said that, there are a number of things you need to think about in coming to your decision and most of them have been touched on here and in other threads.

I'll try to remember the things that influenced me in making my decision.

1. How long do your power outages usually last? In my case it's usually hours, the longest being 2 days.

2. What do you need (want) to run and how much power does that take, including motor start-up. In my case the only thing that I desperately needed power for was 4 fridges and freezers, 2 inside and 2 outside. Some interior lighting would also be nice but not necessary. I had NG for the stovetop and water heaters. Like Bob, I also use some compact flouescent bulbs for some lighting and in my work lights so that wouln't be much of a draw on whatever generator I chose.

3. What type of fuel and how much did I usually have on hand? A typical gas generator will burn 12 to 15 gallons a day and I never have that much fresh gas in storage. I always have 30 to 50+ gallons of diesel on hand (and access to ~200 gallons at the farm) so a diesel generator made more sense. I didn't want to spend $3,000 on something for very occasional and limited use so a PTO generator was probably the better and cheaper option but if I wanted to use it away from the house I would have to load up the tractor and trailer it there. I'm getting lazy in my old age but it's still an option. A tri-fuel generator would have probably been ideal since I have NG but again I didn't want to spend that much money on something I'd use very little.

Those are just some of the things that went into my decision. Looking at your circumstances as you describe them, I'd look very seriously at a smaller tri-fuel generator. You don't want to power very much and you're going to have LPG at the house anyway so you'll have back-up fuel after the gas runs out or vice-versa. A 7.5 or 10kW generator will power the whole house (used sensibly) if that's what you need but you can get by with a lot less.

Oh!!! ... and what did I decide on?? I got a 3800 watt (5200 watt surge) gas generator and now keep 10 gallons of fresh gas in storage. It'll run all 4 fridge/freezers provided the motors don't all start at once. I don't run it continuously, I switch it on and off as needed to keep stuff frozen so my 10 gallons of gas lasts a lot longer than the outages. It's worked well for me for the past 2 years. I may change my mind and upgrade to a tri-fuel and tie it directly into the house if circumstances change but that doesn't look likely in the near future.

Lots of luck with your decision, whatever it'll be.
 
   / Portable Generator #17  
<font color="red"> When a generator says it is rated at 7500 watts and max. at 10,000 watss, does that mean if you are running items that say are pulling 5,000 watts and your fridge kicks on (let's say it pulls 1,500 once running but the initial start up pulls 3,500) would the generator be able to cover the increase for that short period of time? </font>


Yup. The first number is the continuous output rating. The second number is the surge rating.
 
   / Portable Generator #18  
I don't believe the hi dollar transfer switches break the neutral either..........Calling Inspector 507; Jerry.........please chime in here...........We've discussed this before.............Tom
 
   / Portable Generator #19  
For the sake of being safe and cheap I plugged into my dryer outlet and pulled my meter. No way to back feed the neighbors or buzz the line workers.
 
   / Portable Generator #20  
Richard,

You are right about that now that you made me actually stop and think a minute. Appreciate that!! I have to knock that off. Guess I do need a transfer switch.

Again, thanks!
 

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