possible with hydro?????

[rambler]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( My ford/NH came standard with a hydro oil cooler mounting directly in front of the radiator. I believe that heavy mowing is just about as hard on a tractor as a ground engagement implement. I've run mine all day long and the oil cooler handles it fine. )</font>

You're serious?

Actually, you are correct in your statement, yes both will use most of the hp of the tractor if implements are sized right. But I don't think that is what you meant?

However, plowing dirt is _much_ harder on the _tranny_ of the tractor than mowing is. And that was the topic.

IHC and others made hydro tractors of 50-120 hp back in the 60s & 70s. They were well liked for loader work, tiling (aka trenching), running a baler, running pull-type combines.

They used _way_ too much fuel & broke too often to be used for plowing & other heavy tillage. This experiment has been done in large scale.

I believe modern compact tractors are built with a rather weak manual tranny, and an about equal quality hydro tranny. So, either on a compact will handle plowing. But you will spend a lot more on fuel using the hydro for plowing & other hard pulling jobs. Much of the energy is turned into heat in the oil, & is wasted by the cooler. For mowing lawns, no big deal as all you are pulling is the weight of the tractor, no jaring rocks & full power to the rear wheels.

--->Paul

 

[RickB]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I haven't seen any instruction manual warnings that say "don't plow with a Hydro transmission." )</font> That does not alter the validity of my statement.

 

[thcri]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">(
</font><font color="blueclass=small">( I haven't seen any instruction manual warnings that say "don't plow with a Hydro transmission." )</font> That does not alter the validity of my statement. )</font>


Along with the others I have not seen a manual yet that said on hydros you can't do certain things. I have seen the manuals of John Deere, Case, New Holland, Kubota and many others. Not one puts disclaimers in regards to hydro. I have neighbors that have been plowing for over ten years with hydros and yet to have a problem. To me a loader would be harder on a hydro than plowing because of the sudden stops where plowing has the same amount of tension on it all the time. I disagree I would not ever be worried about plowing with my hydro.

JMO

Murph

 

[RickB]

Simple difference of opinion, no problem.

 

[NHeuro]

I think there is a simple conclusion:
The hydro"s are the easiest way for all round work.
The manual does the same work since years but sometimes is it better, sometimes is the hydro better
The hydro will be the easiest way, but with the modern tranny's like a EHSS of a SSS is the gab for 90% closed

 

[NHeuro]

have a look at my Nh tce pictures /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
http://www.tractorbynet.com/photos/showgallery.php/cat/500/ppuser/24643

 

[rambler]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I think there is a simple conclusion:
The hydro"s are the easiest way for all round work.
The manual does the same work since years but sometimes is it better, sometimes is the hydro better
The hydro will be the easiest way, but with the modern tranny's like a EHSS of a SSS is the gab for 90% closed
)</font>

This is not to argue, just my opinion. Your opinion is fine too. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I find automatic tranny pickups very hard to drive - can't tell when I am spinning in snow or mud, or just the tranny slip. Can't back up to a trailer worth a darn with an auto tranny! Just all around - yuk.

Likewise, I find a hydro trany very difficult to get any type of feedback. I don't know if the machine is running properly. it is like trying to pick up small parts with gloves on - just can't get any type of good feedback or control with a hydro.

Certainly for the novice it appears much easier to drive. And for some loader work it can be much simpler than all the clutch work.

I own 7 tractors, and put many hours on all of them in a year. I find, for my work, the manual tranny is 'easier' using to accomplish good, accurate, dependable work.

Now, again, that is _my_ experience & opinion, and I don't wish to tell anyone else how _they_ should feel about their tools, or what works best for them.

To each their own.

I do not feel a hydro offers the easiest all around use. jimho. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

--->Paul

 

[brewdog]

I've never thought about the feedback aspect of this topic. This is true, my Hydro is more difficult to read in that way than other manuals I've had. Great point.

Everyone has valid points on this topic and I appreciate reading all of them.

 

[brewdog]

RickB, Absolutely not, you make a very valid point. Thanks for the feedback.

 

[Soundguy]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I believe that heavy mowing is just about as hard on a tractor as a ground engagement implement. )</font>

I think I'd have to disagree there... Mind you.. most of my tractor experience is with gear models.. but.. I've found that mowing is one of the easier tasks.. its hooking a couple bottoms in nice hard clay that will throw that rpm down or spin that rubber the easiest.

Soundguy