Power Service Problem???

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oldballs

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Guys,

I went to my Kubota dealer today to pick up some parts etc. On my shopping list was a bottle of Power Service (White bottle). I could not find any on the shelves???? When asking the parts manager about it, he said that they do not stock it any longer ...........because Kubota claims PS has alcohol in it that dries out some seals that will eventually cause failure.

He had an alternate product called "All Season DFC + Plus HP"...Diesel fuel conditioner by BG Products in Wichita Kansas.

Hum-m-m-What do you all think? I've used the PS white for 11 years in several models of CUT and SCUT.....without a problem....so far.

Cheers,
Mike
 
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I found this...... Power Service Diesel Fuel Supplement at one time did contain the type of
alcohol recommended by Cummins, Detroit Diesel, and Caterpillar for
reliquefying gelled fuel. At that point, Diesel Fuel Supplement was not an
antigel product. However, we changed the formulation of Diesel Fuel
Supplement to be a year-around antigel/injector cleaning product. Diesel
Fuel Supplement and Arctic Express are both middle distillate flow
improvers that prevent gelling -- neither product contains any alcohol.
The only product manufactured by Power Service that contains alcohol is
our Diesel 9-1-1 -- For Diesel Fuel Emergencies. This product reliquefies
gelled fuel, de-ices frozen fuel filters, and removes water.
 
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I've used the Power Serve anti-gell for quite awhile.
I'm not sure what I'm going to do this winter,
I tried a jug of Howes this fall and it seemed to do a bit nicer job,
I am tempted to try it for this winter and see how it goes, :confused3:
I may be kicking myself later on this winter but who knows, I do have spare filters and 911 if i have to.
 
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I ordered a case of the PS White. It does not go bad and I figure I have enough to last me years.

Need to get at least one bottle of 9-1-1 before it gets really cold, but having a hard time finding a small bottle. You don't want to leave a bottle of this sitting around after you open it because a lot of it will evaporate over time.

I will probably order a case of the silver some time before spring.

I hate running to the store for things over and over again.
 
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  • Thread Starter
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As Peter315 above posted.........PS white does not contain the alcohol that Kubota has told to my dealer. Why would Kubota make such a claim saying that the alcohol would dry out some seals, if it was not so??? This long time dealer has sold PS for years and is just another profitable product to him.
 
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My dealer moved his ps to the stock room. You have to ask for it. Makes me think Kubota wants another brand to be sold....$$$?
 
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If Power Service was that bad, they wouldn't be in business, nor would modern large engine manufacturers recommend them.

I've used PS (the silver bottle) in my BX2200 since we bought it back in 2002, and I think it has done nothing but good to the engine. I've never had any issues.

The biggest problem I see with folks fuel systems getting contaminated with water is the following:

1. Bad fuel from the supplier. (Ranks #1!)
2. Poorly sealing fuel caps that let too much moisture in. (More so if the machine is kept outside with no protection.)
3. Not keeping a full tank during the fall to winter and winter to spring (high temperature/moisture gradients).

Folks forget that fuel caps are wear items too.

With all the technicality aside, if you use quality fuel, have a properly working fuel system, you should not have a problem, and you don't need to use any additives.
 
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  • Thread Starter
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I just can't figure out "why" Kubota would claim that PS white bottle has alcohol in it when PS says it does not???? Maybe it has something to do with warranty......but yet if there is no alcohol.....there is no case.
 
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Power Service used to recommend using the white bottle year round. Some years back, they changed the formula and the directions. Now they say "Diesel Fuel Supplement +Cetane Boost is intended for use only during cold winter months when temperatures drop below +30F." That's when I switched to Howes and use that year round, double dosing in winter. If you look at the PS details, they say the white bottle will not affect your engine warranty as long as you use the PS "as directed". Using it in temps above 30F could be considered as not using it as directed in my opinion. PS also says they do not use alcohol, but they don't use common names for their ingredients, only sating they are "Trade Secrets". They do, however, say to use an "Alcohol resistant foam" for firefighting their product. To me, that says their "trade secret" ingredient may not technically be alcohol but it obviously acts like alcohol. That could be why they say not to use their product year round, and why Kubota does not recommend it.
 

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