President Bush

   / President Bush #11  
Well said. Recently returned from a 2 week trip overseas (Switzerland and England). Suffice to say that the news over there is quite different from what we get here. They too have a number of concerns about the White House resident.

Andy in NH
 
   / President Bush #12  
JOR_EL, you make some excellent points. One thing that I noticed though is that you seem impressed with the character and ideals of our forefathers (as I think we all should be), but you seem stuck on the seperation of church and state. If you go back and read any of the wonderful documents which these fellows wrote, you will likely notice God with a capital G appearing several times. I think that much of this country was founded on Christian ideals, and wonder how much picking and choosing we should do of these wonderful forefathers ideals. Just my .02.

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   / President Bush #13  
It is time that we seperate a US citizen from those who are not. Our consist. covers only US citizens. Everyone else in this country is here as a guest and does not have the same rights as the citizens. Some will say, well your fathers came here from somewhere, but what these people forget is that they became citizens. All of these non-citizens being held because of Sept. 11 does not being in jail, then they can go home. Opps, their country will not allow us to us their airspace, oh well, fly the plane as close to the country and tell these people to jump. They will have as good as chance as the 3900 in New York did on Sept. 11. Only the bad people have to worry about laws. It is time that the US citizens have more rigths then some person from some other country and not a citizen. You mentioned Leahy, this is the same guy who refuses to hold hearings on new judges, you know whos side he is on!!
Dan L
 
   / President Bush #14  
If news reports are to be believed, of all the people rounded up since 9/11, there is one US citizen, born in Indiana/Illinois I believe. 9/11 has revealed quite a mess at INS and State Department. All of the 19 hijacker/terrorists entered the country legally, although some had expired visas or entered with a student visa and never attended a school. The State Department should be more critical in evaluating visas, then once legal aliens are here, the INS needs to monitored them better.

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   / President Bush #15  
Dan L--

I worked as a lawyer in the Reagan and (first) Bush Justice Deparments and successfully defended the constitutionality of a statute, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which gives the United States the right to conduct, let's say, unusual surveillance of foreign nationals suspected of terrorism. On the basis of that experience, a couple of observations regarding your post. First, The United States Constitution does, in fact, apply to many--in fact, most--people within our borders who are not American citizens. The law is that "Once an alien lawfully enters and resides in this country he becomes invested with the rights guaranteed by the constitution to all people within our borders." The law also is that "An illegal alien comes within the scope of the word "person" guaranteed due process under the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments. The class of persons, including illegal aliens, which also may avail itself of the equal protection guarantee is coextensive with that class entitled to due process." As to only bad people having to worry about the laws---c'mon. And last, as to the Democrats refusing to hold hearings on new judges--check the record of the Senate from 1994-2000 on the same subject. Politics and patriotism have little to do with each other; query what our Vermont posters think of Sen. Leahy.

Rick
 
   / President Bush #16  
Mike -

<font color=blue>pejorative</font color=blue>

Well sure, when you spell it that way it shows up in my dictionaries. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

I had tried all the spelling variations I could think of, but I just plain didn't think of the correct one. /w3tcompact/icons/crazy.gif

Thanks, Dude! /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

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   / President Bush #17  
Harv,

Time to remove my pointed hat with the stars on it and lay down my magic wand. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif

1. I tried a real dictionary first...couldn't find it cuz I couldn't spell it correctly.
2. Went to AskJeeves...couldn't find it, cuz I couldn't spell it.
3. Out of desparation, tried http://www.dictionary.com which I wasn't sure even existed. Whew, it did exist and it wasn't a porno or gambling site. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif Typed in 'perjorative' and, while it couldn't find this mispelling, it did offer several suggestions, one of which was the correct word.


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   / President Bush #18  
Larry,

Geez - why so cynical with your response!!

It was very easy to separate the politics from the religous in Scruffy's post. It was an observation by someone that tried to point out that President Bush has conviction. Plain and simple. Just happens that President Bush has the morale fiber through his religious convictions. Seems like you might not be able to separate the two.... I see no problem in what the man believes in and uses to help him through these troubling times. Additionally, I do not see that the author was trying to diefy President Bush. That's a stretch.

As far as the arrest and holding of possible terrorists, I say good! I believe there are laws in place to justify the Governments actions. These aliens are not citizens and should be closely monitored. It is quite possble that the detanees would have left the country, could have caused other possible terrorist activities, or could have become the target of a hate crime.

As far as living in a different time, I believe you have caused a great injustice to the current generation. I firmly believe that they will perform just as our parents did during any of the previous wars. Come on, we were attacked. These kids feel violated!! Just as we do. They have more to lose than we. I am established and have a relatively good life. The younger people are just starting out and wish to prosper and grow just like their forefathers. It is a part of being an American.

Terry
 
   / President Bush #19  
Well said Terry.


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   / President Bush #20  
Not sure if a <font color=red>Canadian</font color=red> is allowed to participate in this little discussion /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif...but....

<font color=blue>And his private ideas (guesses, ...lest we forget) concerning any "creator" shouldn't become public displays or pronouncements supporting any particular belief system - it is inappropriate for a leader of a mixed-faith society. </font color=blue>

From all the news I've seen and read, President Bush was just as clear about his position on religion PRIOR to the election as he is now. Seems to me that the American public voted him in that way knowing that he was a Christian and knowing that he was not ashamed of it. Not sure why he should now keep his "opinions" to himself.

From my perspective we have a similiar issue going on here in Canada. The continual demands to remove "God keep our land" from the national anthem etc. Seems to me that folks who see this as an issue are really missing the point. Both of our nations were founded on Christian values and morals. I'm not really aware of anyone who feels that these values and morals are inappropriate or cause harm to our nations. I really don't understand why having the word God associated with the value makes "the value any less valuable".

Does that fact that President Bush has faith in God make him less of a worthy leader? Does the fact that he openly speaks about it make him less of a worthy leader?

We get pretty good news coverage here /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif, and so far I haven't seen any of <font color=blue>his so-easily-abused privilege of the "bully pulpit" </font color=blue>.

Just my $0.02.

Kevin
 

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