Price of OSB

[clemsonfor]

Last time i saw it that high was summer of 05 or so. It was about $15 a sheet around here due to huricanes.

The producers of building materials also anticipate the need for immediate need circumstances. Roseburg Forest Products has in the past loaded railcars with plywood, lumber and other building needs in anticipation of disasters.

A big part of the problem with prices (at least in the Northwest) is hardly any public forest timber sales since the mid 90's. Roseburg, Oregon was once called the "Timber Capitol" of the United States. Now often as not they are shipping logs in from outside Oregon.

Maybe in your neck of the woods but i am a government forester, in my small office i sold over (not a forest service employee even) a million and a half dollars worth, closer to $2million. Our district probably sold close to $7million plus dollars, our western district in the Washington area sells a similar amount.

Not enough to run the country, but in my regional area i can actually flood the market if i put to much wood on the market at once driving the price of delivered wood down or just the damand for personal timber as they fall over themselves to get the government wood inthe gate.

 

[teejk]

Plywood and OSB are heavy. Go back and check diesel prices from when you paid much less...I think that will explain a lot (fuel to harvest it, fuel to transport to a mill, fuel to process it, fuel to send it to warehouse, fuel to get it to you).

 

[powerpace]

Last time i saw it that high was summer of 05 or so. It was about $15 a sheet around here due to huricanes.



Maybe in your neck of the woods but i am a government forester, in my small office i sold over (not a forest service employee even) a million and a half dollars worth, closer to $2million. Our district probably sold close to $7million plus dollars, our western district in the Washington area sells a similar amount.

Not enough to run the country, but in my regional area i can actually flood the market if i put to much wood on the market at once driving the price of delivered wood down or just the damand for personal timber as they fall over themselves to get the government wood inthe gate.

The 7 million figure would be one medium sale in the West side of the Cascades in Oregon. Problem is there are not many sales completed because of environmentalists filing suit to stop the sales.

Lumber price weighed by output glut - FT.com

 

[LD1]

Diesel price...check. it has doubled since I last bought for $4.76 a sheet. Still don't explain why OSB has tripled. And fuel is only one part of the cost associated. And it still don't explain why other wood products havent triple??? I don't think fuel is the reason.

 

[teejk]

Diesel price...check. it has doubled since I last bought for $4.76 a sheet. Still don't explain why OSB has tripled. And fuel is only one part of the cost associated. And it still don't explain why other wood products havent triple??? I don't think fuel is the reason.

I think fuel cost is a bigger part of the puzzle than you think. It impacts every aspect of the process and had to show up sooner or later (as it will on everything else we buy). And I guess I'll add that I never saw OSB at $4.76 either. I refuse to use it but never saw it less than $11/sheet here.

 

[clemsonfor]

The 7 million figure would be one medium sale in the West side of the Cascades in Oregon. Problem is there are not many sales completed because of environmentalists filing suit to stop the sales.

Lumber price weighed by output glut - FT.com

yEA after watching the fakes logging show that has been made "ax men" i can see the volume of timber that can grow on an acre out there!!

My office like i said will sell about 2 million or less wood a year. The large sale i may sell in a year will keep a logger working for 3 months, i may sell 2 of those at one location a year and some smaller ones as well, then a hand full of sales that are monitarily less in value but tonnage wise just as much, i genearlly have a few loggers going most of the year at one of 3 spots i manage. pulpwood is not worth much here. I have had a logger working i think since february maybe and he is not through yet, total sale value is $90k. They move around 32loads a week, a small logger even for this area. Even the large loggers here move just around 50 loads a week.

 

[clemsonfor]

The biggest part of the equation is logging capacity. Deisel plays a large part in it, more that you think, but logging capacity is the biggie. 4 years or so ago in the crash there were hundreds of loggers alone in my state that went out of business and still they have continued at a large rate untill about the last year. NOw the problem is that there is not enough loggers to move the wood that the mill wants when they want it. But there is not enough room for a new guy to start up, as soon as they want the wood guys may put an extra truck on the road but as soon as it starts it lasts about a week then the mills go back to quotas. Im telling you the industry is strange. Last summer due to record low rain wood was cheap and everyone was on quotas, (when its dry you can log everywhere so everyone is working, when wet guys stay home and most hardwood is on wet tracts so it cant be logged) hardwood pulp one week was on tight quota, then midweed they cut them off, then 1 day latter they called and said its wide open???? This is the kind of stuff that goes on. Then whenever they dont want wood the trucks wait for 2 hours in line, but when they need it there mysteriously is a 20 minute wait. And when they dont need wood bad is the time the crane always "breaks down" for the remainder of the day either closeing the mill down or causing them to unload them with the frontend loader which takes forever!!

 

[powerpace]

yEA after watching the fakes logging show that has been made "ax men" i can see the volume of timber that can grow on an acre out there!!

My office like i said will sell about 2 million or less wood a year. The large sale i may sell in a year will keep a logger working for 3 months, i may sell 2 of those at one location a year and some smaller ones as well, then a hand full of sales that are monitarily less in value but tonnage wise just as much, i genearlly have a few loggers going most of the year at one of 3 spots i manage. pulpwood is not worth much here. I have had a logger working i think since february maybe and he is not through yet, total sale value is $90k. They move around 32loads a week, a small logger even for this area. Even the large loggers here move just around 50 loads a week.

Ax-Men is not worth watching in my opinion. What they ought to do is make a show about a real logging company and see what real logging is about. None of those people on Ax-Men would survive at a real logging site. Just the safety factor alone makes shows like Ax-Men totally unbelievable.

I worked for a Lumber producer for a number of years and in the small Laminated Beam plant I managed we used about one-million board feet per month. The five sawmills produced nearly eight-hundred thousand Board feet per day of studs and specialty cut lumber. Pine and Douglas Fir.

These guys currently have over 100 trucks and they are on the road every day. They haul logs up to 150 miles away on a regular basis. When I lived on a main road that passed through the Cascades I counted log trucks at the average rate of one every five minutes for several hours. Most of the harvest these days comes from private ownership.
Torture Test: Oregon's Largest Log Hauler Operates Fleet of Kenworth T800s | Layover.com

 

[teejk]

I guess the manufacturing process requires a lot of cost just to fire up the plant. When demand is low, the cost per sheet has to go up. Another unanticipated result of the fake housing boom that has idled much of the construction industry for years. That "house for everybody regardless of whether they could afford it" policy has done more to hurt this country than anything I can remember.

 

[Rustyiron]

I worked for a Lumber producer for a number of years and in the small Laminated Beam plant I managed we used about one-million board feet per month. The five sawmills produced nearly eight-hundred thousand Board feet per day of studs and specialty cut lumber. Pine and Douglas Fir.

WOW!
Hey, osb is pretty good chit @ $5-$10, but for much more than that, I look at plywood